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gnosislogicemotion
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14 Dec 2009, 12:47 am

Last night it occured to me in a more poignant way than ever before that I have no intuition when it comes to people. I was laying in bed with a girl who (being drunk) was telling me every intimate detail of her personal psychology (a lot of it being how she feels about relationships). I had all the pieces in front of me to understand a very large portion of her but I couldn't connect them in any meaningful way nor gain an intuitive sense of how she felt about things despite that she was telling me almost explicitly. I still can't predict how she'll react, think, or feel about anything she didn't already spell out in clear language.

It's like there's this gaping hole in me where my intuition and empathy should be. It wears me down and makes me feel hollow and disconnected. This is the main reason why I have little success with women. A normal person could sense when he and a woman he knows are having a romantic moment and he would consequently act on it. I, on the other hand, may be with a girl who at the time is having strong feelings but I, like a bumbling oaf, would be completely unaware of what was happening and continue on with my causal posture and banter in my generally affable manner. People never believe me when I tell them that I am autistic because I've had years of practice to perfect the "warm smile and witty banter" mode of socializing. But as soon as I enter unfamiliar territory I expose how thouroughly imperceptive I am of social subtlety.

What do you guys think?


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14 Dec 2009, 1:31 am

It is certainly familiar in many respects... I found what worked - for me - was simply asking. Yes, it surprised people; some were made uncomfortable, but most were accepting or even appreciative. If I could tell someone (if I could do so in a lighter, laughing manner it worked better) that I was a bit... dense and needed a little better explanation or expression, then things weren't so awkward. I don't have an answer for replacing intuition. Some people will recommend books on body language, or picking up women, or psychology... and have some merit, to varying degrees - but it's more a matter of finding what works for you without causing discomfort. Once you're there, then it moves to finding the right person. My wife puts up with me asking "What?" frequently and having to explain how she is feeling because I can tell there is a difference in her expression/movement, but my ability to derive anything meaningful from it is still what I consider inadequate.


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14 Dec 2009, 5:16 am

gnosislogicemotion wrote:
Last night it occured to me in a more poignant way than ever before that I have no intuition when it comes to people. I was laying in bed with a girl who (being drunk) was telling me every intimate detail of her personal psychology (a lot of it being how she feels about relationships). I had all the pieces in front of me to understand a very large portion of her but I couldn't connect them in any meaningful way nor gain an intuitive sense of how she felt about things despite that she was telling me almost explicitly. I still can't predict how she'll react, think, or feel about anything she didn't already spell out in clear language.

It's like there's this gaping hole in me where my intuition and empathy should be. It wears me down and makes me feel hollow and disconnected. This is the main reason why I have little success with women. A normal person could sense when he and a woman he knows are having a romantic moment and he would consequently act on it. I, on the other hand, may be with a girl who at the time is having strong feelings but I, like a bumbling oaf, would be completely unaware of what was happening and continue on with my causal posture and banter in my generally affable manner. People never believe me when I tell them that I am autistic because I've had years of practice to perfect the "warm smile and witty banter" mode of socializing. But as soon as I enter unfamiliar territory I expose how thouroughly imperceptive I am of social subtlety.

What do you guys think?

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14 Dec 2009, 6:04 am

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It's like there's this gaping hole in me where my intuition and empathy should be. It wears me down and makes me feel hollow and disconnected


i feel that way alot. It's rather unsettling at times.
my policy with girls i like therefore is to be perpetually semi-flirty, semi-serious so should the need arise to be either, it's not that huge a leap in either direction, and may possibly be interpreted as either anyways without my trying.

So far it's working quite nicely.


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14 Dec 2009, 3:43 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
It is certainly familiar in many respects... I found what worked - for me - was simply asking. Yes, it surprised people; some were made uncomfortable, but most were accepting or even appreciative. If I could tell someone (if I could do so in a lighter, laughing manner it worked better) that I was a bit... dense and needed a little better explanation or expression, then things weren't so awkward. I don't have an answer for replacing intuition. Some people will recommend books on body language, or picking up women, or psychology... and have some merit, to varying degrees - but it's more a matter of finding what works for you without causing discomfort. Once you're there, then it moves to finding the right person. My wife puts up with me asking "What?" frequently and having to explain how she is feeling because I can tell there is a difference in her expression/movement, but my ability to derive anything meaningful from it is still what I consider inadequate.


Would studying psychology really help me to understand people better in a real life environment? I always thought it would just be more abstractions floating about in my head.

I like the idea of simply asking bluntly except for the fact that this would expose me. As it is, I can get by without anyone knowing that I'm any different from anyone else. They might sense something amiss if I (the one who is usually labeled 'the genius') ask questions which make me appear dense. I suppose I'll have to sacrifice my dignity, in a way, to move forward.

@Seanmw:

Well your approach takes care of one dimension of one type of social interaction. But if you try that all the time for everything then you try to be everything at once for everyone. Not to say that this approach is completely useless. In fact I sort of adopt that ambiguous posturing with women for that very reason.

I'm aware of your self-proclaimed social success and I think that perhaps you don't have as many inherent barriers to success in that arena as I do.


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Without her we are lifeless satellites.&a


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14 Dec 2009, 3:52 pm

I have difficulties with intuition. I learn to greatly analyze situations which require intuition.