Where am I in the 'league' system

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Ferrus91
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13 May 2013, 6:45 pm

So, I would like a definitive answer of where I am in the league system that seems a pretty rigid if unspoken law in dating.

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The reason I ask is because in August last year there was a girl who was interested in me, however she was fairly obese (BMI 35-36). Now, although I was friendly I did not find her physically attractive at all, so I didn't reciprocate. However I am starting to wonder now if by doing so I was effectively blocking out people from my own league and therefore making it impossible to have a date, and that I should find ways of trying to make myself more attracted to obese women. Also, am I best off not even thinking about those more average to slightly lower than average girls I am usually attracted to?



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13 May 2013, 7:01 pm

You look pretty normal. Get a haircut and gain some muscle and you're easily better looking than the vast majority of men. :)

You shouldn't settle for unattractive girls (someone who's a 4 or worse). I did once and it was not a happy relationship. Some ugly girls are completely oblivious to their own lack of qualities and will gladly hit on men more attractive than them; also, since these girls get hit on less than other girls, they're more likely to take the active role.

Many men with AS are kept in an artificially low league because of poor social skills. The best thing you can do, is to find a workaround for this. Every social flaw (i.e. the smaller your friend circle, the less you like to party etc.) is something you somehow need to compensate for. Sadly, finding girls who aren't into partying, clubbing, binge drinking and all that can be a tough task...



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13 May 2013, 7:07 pm

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You look pretty normal. Get a haircut and gain some muscle and you're easily better looking than the vast majority of men. :)

You shouldn't settle for unattractive girls (someone who's a 4 or worse). I did once and it was not a happy relationship. Some ugly girls are completely oblivious to their own lack of qualities and will gladly hit on men more attractive than them; also, since these girls get hit on less than other girls, they're more likely to take the active role.

Many men with AS are kept in an artificially low league because of poor social skills. The best thing you can do, is to find a workaround for this. Every social flaw (i.e. the smaller your friend circle, the less you like to party etc.) is something you somehow need to compensate for. Sadly, finding girls who aren't into partying, clubbing, binge drinking and all that can be a tough task...


Not if you go to the gym. There are tons of girls that stare at me, some of them smile, actually quite a few. The only thing I need to get past is noticing what the heck the ladies are doing when I am around them. I feel quite clueless sometimes.


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13 May 2013, 7:11 pm

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You look pretty normal. Get a haircut and gain some muscle and you're easily better looking than the vast majority of men. :)

You shouldn't settle for unattractive girls (someone who's a 4 or worse). I did once and it was not a happy relationship. Some ugly girls are completely oblivious to their own lack of qualities and will gladly hit on men more attractive than them; also, since these girls get hit on less than other girls, they're more likely to take the active role.

Many men with AS are kept in an artificially low league because of poor social skills. The best thing you can do, is to find a workaround for this. Every social flaw (i.e. the smaller your friend circle, the less you like to party etc.) is something you somehow need to compensate for. Sadly, finding girls who aren't into partying, clubbing, binge drinking and all that can be a tough task...

I wish I was from Scandinavia, the ratio of leagues is much more skewed in favour of the men there than in Britain. We need your Viking genes again. :wink:



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13 May 2013, 7:27 pm

You're inside of it, therefore you are losing.



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13 May 2013, 7:31 pm

uwmonkdm wrote:
You're inside of it, therefore you are losing.

How do you get out when NTs regard social rules as holy?



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13 May 2013, 8:41 pm

lose weight

hit the gym

shave that beard

get a better haircut

quit wearing lose clothing that is too big for you

lose the watch

Then, you might be a 6/10 and have a decent chance at something. As of now, unless you're rich--which appears unlikely--you may have trouble getting anything, being an aspie.



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13 May 2013, 8:53 pm

Why would anyway say he needs to lose weight?? I don't see any fat or tummy there... I think gals would prefer the guy in the pic over a skinny guy slipping down the shower drain - or muscles and veins bulging everywhere.

Looks like you got hair loss creeping in there - embrace it! Trying to hide it with weird hairdos, etc, makes one look insecure. If it's going anyway, buzz or shave and be cool with it!



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13 May 2013, 8:57 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
lose weight hit the gym shave that beard get a better haircut quit wearing lose clothing that is too big for you lose the watch

boy meets girl, they fall in love-
she tells him he's everything she's dreamed of-
but when they get married, before he's aware,
she changes his habits, the way he combs his hair-
she changes him into something that he's never been,
then complains he's not like other men-
now I find this MOST illogical!



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13 May 2013, 10:26 pm

You're definitely at LEAST average-looking.

I guarantee that your physical attractiveness is not the reason you have trouble getting dates. You could probably pay more attention to appearance - gym, clothes/fashion, haircut/beard? (I think the beard looks good but I don't know anything), etc. However, I bet your social skills are the biggest factor, as is probably the case for most of us here...



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14 May 2013, 2:34 am

BlueMax wrote:
Why would anyway say he needs to lose weight?? I don't see any fat or tummy there... I think gals would prefer the guy in the pic over a skinny guy slipping down the shower drain - or muscles and veins bulging everywhere.

Well I am about 175lbs and 511" so I suppose I could do with losing some.

And yeah but I am only 25, is it uncommon for hair loss to start by then? I have had the same haircut for 20 years so changing it would be very uncomfortable for me.



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14 May 2013, 10:38 pm

I think women should be the ones giving him the feedback he needs not guys.

The only thing I'd suggest is to use a better picture. Grainy/low light and camera covering a portion of yourself doesn't exactly give them a good view to make an informed opinion.



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14 May 2013, 10:42 pm

BlueMax wrote:
Why would anyway say he needs to lose weight?? I don't see any fat or tummy there... I think gals would prefer the guy in the pic over a skinny guy slipping down the shower drain - or muscles and veins bulging everywhere.

Looks like you got hair loss creeping in there - embrace it! Trying to hide it with weird hairdos, etc, makes one look insecure. If it's going anyway, buzz or shave and be cool with it!


Skinny arms and chunky torso. I think the opposite looks better on both men and women.

I agree with BlueMax about the haircut. Make it super short. If that doesn't work, buzz it. I've seen guys like you get hot girls, but they are usually very empathetic types. Being an aspie, you probably don't have that going for you, so you need to use things other than empathy or personality to attract women.



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14 May 2013, 10:44 pm

Ferrus91 wrote:
BlueMax wrote:
Why would anyway say he needs to lose weight?? I don't see any fat or tummy there... I think gals would prefer the guy in the pic over a skinny guy slipping down the shower drain - or muscles and veins bulging everywhere.

Well I am about 175lbs and 511" so I suppose I could do with losing some.

And yeah but I am only 25, is it uncommon for hair loss to start by then? I have had the same haircut for 20 years so changing it would be very uncomfortable for me.


I'm losing hair as well. I buzz it now and I also shaved it of once. Feels wonderful. :D



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14 May 2013, 10:53 pm

my top is thinner and my middle is thicker and my bottom is bottoming out. :oops: despite my best efforts. but if I go bald I will invest in a quality wig. but the OP does not look bad. he just needs to find the right person for him, and in a nation of 300+ million, he is sure to encounter over his lifetime, at least a few. but he may have to be much more patient than he is.



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15 May 2013, 1:57 am

Ferrus91 wrote:
uwmonkdm wrote:
You're inside of it, therefore you are losing.

How do you get out when NTs regard social rules as holy?


This question assumes the premise is a valid one...