Fat Black Men vs Women's pressure to be slim.

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Fat Black Men vs Woman's pressure to be slim. I want to challenge the idea of men attitude to larger woman.

Have you noticed especially in the uk and Caribbean that you hardly ever see any fat black men, while fat black woman are vastly more common and more bigger then average white woman.

I have been to various websites to see if they could explain why this disparity exists. Very surprised that they didn’t have an answer.

The reason I use the black example is because it is an over exaggeration of society as a whole and where society is heading that can be largely but down to the woman increasing independence and status.

But the disparity can be very easily explained with an understanding of natural selection. But simply black men are less fussy about bigger woman and black woman are more fussy about bigger men. Resulting in more fatter black men being left out of the gene pool and dying out and more fat black woman being included into it.

This goes against the idea that fatter woman are significantly disadvantaged in the dating game, relative to woman. I don’t think the average man discriminates the fatter woman nothing near the level for example a woman will not date a man who is shorter then her.

I really believe that if a man really like a woman, he will not let the fact the she is larger get in the way. And most of the time she doesn’t have be super confident, super charming either, unlike the situation with the few fat black men who haven’t selected out of the gene pool purely because they exude confidence and charm and have a great presents

Boy oh boy. Logical falicies coming out of the ears.

I.... don't think fatness is genetic.

Actually black woman do tend to have larger asses, seriously!

The tendency to fatness is indeed genetic. Don't ever let anybody tell you otherwise. Do you know why Native Hawaiians and other Polynesians tend to get fat? They first traveled to their islands on relatively small boats and in some cases some of the people starved. The ones who didn't, because they had more body fat, were the ones who were left to populate their new homes. This also led to a fat standard of beauty. I suspect that other factors are operating to produce the phenomena that Aspie_Chav accurately describes, but there is always a selection process going on. There is also the factor of customary or available diet and activities, which will affect fatness in any culture. But different people, given the same diet and activity, will have different amounts and patterns of body fat. Some of the differences in perceived acceptability of female versus male fatness may relate to the fact that women of any race do tend to put on fat during the childbearing years (as an evolved hedge against famine) and just by my own impression, get fat more than men do in the first place. (I have always found that rather unfair!)

Remember that an observation of differences between races is not automatically racist! Sometimes it's just an observation of the facts. It's the conclusions based on those observations that are susceptible to racist interpretations if we're not careful.

Not that many years ago as such things go, fat symbolized health, wealth and fertility in a lot of cultures. In some they still do. When cultural ideals cross each other then things get confused and I wonder if people get confused about what they are "supposed" to like, especially when what's portrayed in the media differs so much from what we see in real life.


I always used to wonder why the male fat pattern was so different from the female; up to a point, fat on the butt and legs is a lot less in the way than a big gut. But then someone I know was stabbed in the belly and was told that his belly fat saved him from some serious damage! I guess that would also apply to stone age hunters facing things with horns and claws!

Not all of them do..... My girlfriend doesn't have a large butt... That I don't 100% agree with.

Recipe for obesity:
1 tablespoon genetics,
3 cups sedentary lifestyle,
8 cups bad diet.
Whisk briskly.

Genetics is in there, but it's generally a red herring nowadays.

Your logic it too generalized and too far out there. I've known large women who have been made fun of.

I'm a little confused though, you're saying black men vs women??? Not sure what you mean. I notice in some cultures women who are curvier are considered more attractive than women who look as thin as Kate Moss. On a whole though I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I just don't trust what theocracy and the culture as a whole. I notice I don't find many guys attractive as they're suppose to be portrayed in the media.

As for fat, you may not see as many fat guys as women because of genetics. Men have relatively more muscle mass than women in the upper proportion. This and many other factors are why you probably don't see as many fat men vs women. I would be very careful using race and women's personal values as the culprit. That'd be just as unfair as for a guy to say people who are white aren't apt to being as successful as colored folks because they now have rights that're protected.

I think the trend towards thin girls is due to class. Simply put a thin high status woman doesn't need fat reserves to survive a famin. Indeed if she does survive several famines while very thin she must be high status with plenty of resources. High status men are attracted to high status woman that means thin. So many woman under the pressure to capture a high status man, will try to lose weight.

This example has already proven otherwise. Though you could put in the case that black woman eat more then black men because black men are under pressure to lose weight to avoid the fate of fat black men. But I don't think you believe that.

I am not good with politics. But I do know that politician often forget that human beings are subject the the laws of nature and evolution and they get the complete wrong end of the stick. As a result, countless millions have been wasted on hopeless conditioning and social initiatives will never work.

The political correctness here is so thick, it's stifling. Everyone -- before you rush to label any statements as racist, please take into account the person asking the question, their point of reference, and the point they are making. I don't moderate here, but I would like to hope that within limits, this is a free speech zone.

Aspie Chav, I really like the question. I'm coming from a major metropolitan area (Los Angeles) that has a relatively high number of African-Americans. Additionally, I have been to the Caribbean several times (and in non-tourist areas primarily, as I have in-laws there) and have also gotten to sample the various body types there. In both America and the U.S., African Americans (or Caribbean Africans) do tend to the heavy side, especially on the female side.

Here are some reasons and theories --

As mentioned above, groups of people who developed in areas with low-starch content in the diet or with few sources of high-carb foods tended to optimize for storage of those types of foods. We see it with populations like American Indians and African descendants -- foods and drugs that do not have as great an effect on European populations have much more significant effects on those groups. Examples -- Alcohol with American Indians and Asians, Lactose intolerance with Asians, etc.

Additionally, the original climate people are from also affects how weight is distributed. I think we'll all noticed that African descendants tend to put an inordinate amount of fat on the breast and buttock areas, especially compared to other ethnicities. This effect is well known -- heck, we celebrate it in song and music! The theory about why this is is that in Africa, you did need to build up fat stores and be extremely calorie-efficient to make sure your body saved for periods of famine. However, fat also has an insulating effect, which means that it traps heat. Well, you can't have that in Africa, or you would overheat and die, so individuals who stored fat away from major organs, in places that were already natural heat sinks. You can find some photos from Africa that show the extreme examples of this.

So getting back to gender differences -- I think it's not so much gender at work (though women do carry a higher body fat % in general than men), but more activity-based. Black men do tend to be more active than black women -- they play more sports, are outdoors more, and are more likely to work blue-collar jobs that require intense physical activity. So the reasons are probably more cultural than genetic, and like you said, black men do seem to have a preference for or tolerance for higher fat levels in their women. Still -- I don't see anyone turning Naomi Campbell down

I have nothing against the political correctness, it is refreshing. However no one seems to have read the OP, or at least they find it a confusing read, and therefore defaulted to a more plausible one. What is more apparent is the lack of critical thinking.

Aspie_chav says the black is an exaggeration of society. It is completely unsubstantiated. He uses that to imply that black male sexuality/tastes (as an absolute) reflects the male sexuality/tastes of the whole of the male population. Again this is totally unsubstantiated.

If he had made a different argument, then maybe week can talk about the attraction and fatness.

Perception is very week evidence, for example the perception of violent crime is substantially higher than actual violence.

What I meant by over exaggeration.

General population (at least in uk) where the woman are a little bigger. And in the general population men are more tolerant of larger ladies then woman do for larger men. Because the differences are not big enough to see, it is easier to rubbish this theory altogether . It accept it would also be hard to believe this when the media portraying woman only being desirable when they are slim giving woman the false assumption that they are too big because they don’t compare to these slim modals or singers.

But in the black population these differences are more pronounced( exaggerated ) to such an extent that it is very difficult to rubbish the theory, or put it down to lifestyle differences.

The thing is that if men really had preferred NOT to date and marry a larger woman, as what many woman falsely think, Then over time the larger ladies would have died leaving only slimmer ladies. To an extent this happened to ugly woman but it has not happened to larger ladies.

But many woman see fat as ugly.

O'no O'no you shouldn't have said that man! Now I have no alternative but to lit you explain why fat black men are extremely rear relative to fat black woman.

Step1
If you deny this is the case we have to do some head counting. If you agree this is the case goto step two

Step2
Explain why you think it is lifestyle or explain why it is in the genes.

Then we can move from there. Rome wasn't built in a day and I am sure it may take 30 posts until we BOTH have better understanding as other geeks will give their input. The learning process is more important then our preserved assumption about what logic is and what it isn't

Leaning about the theory of evolution isn't about picking up a big heavy text book on the subject and reading it excepting it and putting it down. But also applying what we have leant breaking things down systematically and cross examining.

Could well be as I said it

1) General population of woman on average prefer alpha males.

* High percentage of black woman prefer alpha males. As a result there are more alpha males per head in the black population.

2) General population of woman have bigger hips to waist ratio to that of men.

• In black woman this is exaggerated with their even bigger hip to waist ratio and ass( an over exaggeration of the female form).

3) General population of woman on average prefer not to date geeks( including aspies).

• This truth is to such an extend with black woman, that black aspies have almost completely disappeared from the population to such an extent that black woman are excelling beyond their male pears on intellectual subjects in school and work. This is also happening to the general UK population in almost every subject but science in GCSE.

4) General population of woman prefer musclely and taller man.

The black men are generally muscley and taller then the general population. They also got bigger manhood too.

5) The general population of men more time and money impressing woman.

• Even more true with black men who spend more percent of their money on status symbols such as nice cars, clothes and fancy phones, and less inclined to spend that money on none status luxuries such as holidays. Probably why subconsciously I have only taken one holiday abroad, To Mermerous Turkey popular UK destintion, where I didn’t spot a single black man I would like to add.

It seem that stronger exeggation do happen in the black population regarding sexuality from my observation. I would like statistics to support it if I could find them.

I am sure that general population of men do accept larger ladies, except for the high status man almost always marry very slim women.