Is this typical of Asperger's?
I recently turned to online dating after my long term relationship came to an end. There is this expat guy who has been living in my country for a while and who has been messaging me. Those conversations were always intense in the sense that he frequently switched topics or mentioned something randomly which had nothing to do with the topic we were talking about. Nevertheless, I started to feel comfortable about him so when he asked me out - it took him a month - I agreed.
The first date was fun. Although he is an inch shorter than me, I didn't mind at first. However, what stood out to me was that he was playing footsie with me at times. I couldn't tell whether he did that on purpose or not. He was nice and seemed funny. I had a great time. He asked for a second date and I agreed. He asked about next Saturday which was fine with me. He texted me once he got home that night and told me he had a good time.
However, as "next Saturday" approached, he had suddenly made other plans. Since I was busy myself, I didn't really mind. He texted me almost every day since that date so it wasn't like he suddenly disappeared. He set up a second date a couple of days later. I agreed.
This second date was VERY awkward. It already started when I walked over to where he was waiting for me. He was shaking his head, walking around back and forth,... It looked weird from a distance, and I almost regretted meeting him again. Anyway, he seemed to calm down once I got there. We walked to a bar for drinks which was fine. He paid for the first round, but then he said I had to pay for the second. I didn't think that was very chivalrous or nice but agreed nonetheless.
The conversation was more awkward than the first time. There were a couple of silences. He told me a couple of times that he didn't know what to say. He also got upset with me a couple of times for being sarcastic. I'm a very sarcastic person, and he didn't seem to understand that I didn't mean what I said. I tried to explain that to him but I don't think he understood. He played footsie again at one point. That was weird to me. As for the hyperfocus people always talk about, he certainly has a couple of interests but he doesn't talk about them in detail. He also refuses to tell me about the history of his home country. I don't understand why. He would say that it would turn into a history lesson for me. I don't mind though but he just wouldn't tell me.
Another thing that was strange was the fact that he didn't compliment me. I looked pretty both times but he just didn't mention anything. Not even the second time. At the end of the date, he wanted to say bye and leave. I asked him if that's it - as in just leaving without a hug or anything. He said he didn't know what to say. I gave him a hug and he ran away.
I thought I would never hear from him again. 30 minutes later, I received a text from him with a picture of him saying "because you like this" and then another text saying he hoped I got home ok. No mention of whether he had a good time or not. I texted him back in a nice way.
Which brings me to the conclusion of this story; is there a possibility this guy might have Asperger's? I surely don't consider this behavior "normal", and I have never met a guy that didn't want physical contact with me (i.e. an innocent hug).
I have never met a guy that didn't want physical contact with me.
I know a couple of AS that act in a similar manner, but I know of more NT Guys/Girls that are unused to dating.
He most likely just needs practice.
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This is why I generally think it's better to meet in person sooner and not waste too much time talking online. You won't know if you're compatible until you meet in person so chatting online for an extended period can turn out to be a waste of time.
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I can remember earlier in my life (and not knowing then that I was autistic), behaving similarly to the guy in question - but I don't think we know enough about him to be certain that he is autistic (or any other specific condition). And please do remember, even if he does have a clinical condition, he may not know this himself, or it might be a secret he will share only in his own time. Don't be tempted to try and "fix" him if he seems happy as he is - at least not unless/until you get know each other a lot better.
He does sound like someone who is having a very hard time working out what is appropriate. Those of us who are introverted can be extremely cautious about showing affection. It's not that we don't want to show our interest, but it's a situation where we can lack the social insight to know where the boundaries are between friendliness, flirting and straying too far. I pace a lot when I'm anxious, and boy, do dates ever make me anxious. But he had already met you before, which suggests that he was fretting because he likes you, but is afraid that he isn't "good enough" for you.
The way you describe his reluctance to talk about his interests, makes me suspect that his explanation is genuine. Some of us get embarrassed to talk about our special interests because we've been mocked for them in the past - especially if the interest is considered 'unusual'. He may just be worried because he doesn't want to feel like he's boring you if he talks to much - and he's overcompensating by saying too little. When he doesn't know what to say, again his explanation could be perfectly true - or he might have plenty to say, but is too caught up in trying to decide how you're going to react that he can't get the words out.
The thing about the money took me along time to understand - if I'm unsure what would be polite, my default response to divide the cost up equally; to my mind, that seems "fair" - but from the other side, not very romantic!
Making sure you got home OK, I would interpret as a very sweet gesture. Us shy guys quite often fall back on an old-fashioned "gentlemanly" way to treat a woman, because it shows our respect without being too emotional. He may show more affection with time if you're clear with him what you consider acceptable or not, so that he is not distracted by anxiety - but this isn't guaranteed whatever the reason for his behaviour.
None of this means that this guy is right (or not) for you - and if you do want to keep seeing him, you should be as careful dating him as you would be dating anyone else. Some people find these traits endearing, others find them impossible to live with - only you can decide that.
Just thought you might like a peek into how the other side sometimes sees it - best wishes.
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He does sound like someone who is having a very hard time working out what is appropriate. Those of us who are introverted can be extremely cautious about showing affection. It's not that we don't want to show our interest, but it's a situation where we can lack the social insight to know where the boundaries are between friendliness, flirting and straying too far. I pace a lot when I'm anxious, and boy, do dates ever make me anxious. But he had already met you before, which suggests that he was fretting because he likes you, but is afraid that he isn't "good enough" for you.
The way you describe his reluctance to talk about his interests, makes me suspect that his explanation is genuine. Some of us get embarrassed to talk about our special interests because we've been mocked for them in the past - especially if the interest is considered 'unusual'. He may just be worried because he doesn't want to feel like he's boring you if he talks to much - and he's overcompensating by saying too little. When he doesn't know what to say, again his explanation could be perfectly true - or he might have plenty to say, but is too caught up in trying to decide how you're going to react that he can't get the words out.
The thing about the money took me along time to understand - if I'm unsure what would be polite, my default response to divide the cost up equally; to my mind, that seems "fair" - but from the other side, not very romantic!
Making sure you got home OK, I would interpret as a very sweet gesture. Us shy guys quite often fall back on an old-fashioned "gentlemanly" way to treat a woman, because it shows our respect without being too emotional. He may show more affection with time if you're clear with him what you consider acceptable or not, so that he is not distracted by anxiety - but this isn't guaranteed whatever the reason for his behaviour.
None of this means that this guy is right (or not) for you - and if you do want to keep seeing him, you should be as careful dating him as you would be dating anyone else. Some people find these traits endearing, others find them impossible to live with - only you can decide that.
Just thought you might like a peek into how the other side sometimes sees it - best wishes.
Thank you for your input. This has been helpful. To all other replies; we have met in person before. This was our second "date" I'm talking about.
When he was waiting for me, I had to cross a street to go over to him. He was pacing back and forth, staring at something in the distance and walking in circles while doing so. He didn't even pay attention to me walking over. If I hadn't said "hey" while walking up in his face, he wouldn't have noticed me. That's how engrossed he was in his own world/thoughts at that point. Of course, he didn't give me a hug when he saw me. He just looked nervous, and again "didn't know what to say" despite our 3 hour conversation the week before and his constant texting at night for every day since.
I am not tempted to "fix" him at all. I was just wondering if his behavior indicated disgust/hatred towards me, or whether it was due to possibly having Asperger's.
He doesn't talk much about his interests. I'm guessing that is because he would focus too much on them, and not let me talk. He has done that the first time too, where he started to talk about something. I wanted to comment on something he had just said but he wouldn't let me! He kept going! By the time he had finished, I had forgotten what I was about to say.
The first time we met up, he paid for both rounds because of my birthday (which was 3 weeks before that but ok). Now, he suddenly wanted me to buy a second round. Usually, I don't mind but the way he made that clear to me sounded forceful and dominant in a way.
He also didn't get my sarcasm or conversational cues at all. One time, I was talking about something but I didn't get any response out of him whatsoever so I continued with "you don't care" with a cheeky face as a way of making him respond to what I just said. Instead of saying I do care and comment on whatever I had said, he just said "Yes, I don't". That was it.
Honestly, I wasn't expecting to hear from him at all afterwards. I was baffled to receive a picture of him about 30 min after I said bye to him with another text telling me he hoped I had a good trip home. I replied in a nice way. He said good night and all.
I haven't heard from him in 3 days now. I'm guessing he is fretting about something.
You're welcome.
He could be fretting, or if he's like me, he could just be lost in a special interest, a bit nervous of seeming pushy, or just very busy. Whether he is autistic or not, he certainly sounds very much an introvert. Introverts don't necessarily dislike people - we can be as loving and loyal as anyone else might. It's just that we find being around people much more tiring than other people do, so we often need a bit of a break to recharge our batteries after all that fretting!
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He could be fretting, or if he's like me, he could just be lost in a special interest, a bit nervous of seeming pushy, or just very busy. Whether he is autistic or not, he certainly sounds very much an introvert. Introverts don't necessarily dislike people - we can be as loving and loyal as anyone else might. It's just that we find being around people much more tiring than other people do, so we often need a bit of a break to recharge our batteries after all that fretting!
I can understand that. He has told me before that he doesn't mind being by himself. I know he is visiting his family this weekend plus he has a work trip coming up afterwards.
I'm not sure what to do. On the one hand, I would like to give him another chance but he'll have to contact me first. I feel like it would be a bad idea for me to reach out to him. I don't think he has ever left this much time in between talking to me, except for when we hadn't met in person yet.
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