Do nice girls finish last?

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There is that saying "Nice guys finish last." How come there isnt a saying: "Nice girls finish last." Is it because people think nice girls are somehow luckier than nice guys?

Today I was in the carpark and had a run-in with this horrible, stroppy, aggressive woman my age, and she ended up winning somehow and I ended up having to back my car up.

It made me so mad as she was so rude and aggressive when she didnt need to be, and I could see that she was probably successful in her life, the kind of person who always got what she wanted, whereas I dont have such success, I dont have what I want or even anything resembling it. So, what is the point of being a nice girl?

Or do people think that that rule doesnt apply to females?

"The rule" as it applies to males isn't even clear, never mind correct. For instance, you have people disputing over what it means to be a "nice guy" as opposed to a "jerk", and under what circumstances they "finish last".

In any case I'm not sure how much it applies to women, but I doubt that's the popular perception. I expect you'll find people more often saying that it doesn't matter how nice or nasty you are to a man as long as you catch his eye.

It does seem an eternal problem: if being a rude, self-centered a**hole doesn't impede success in love, frienship, and in general, then why bother trying to be a decent person?

I suspect the truth is that such people aren't always jerks, or jerks to everyone -- I think they're probably just really good at sizing up when they need to look like a good person, and when they don't. IOW, they're two-faced, and skilled at applying it at the right times. Suck up to the boss and treat the housekeeper like dirt.

Also, like how some people who great to their friends, but sh*t to anybody else. If they exist in a tight group (few outsiders), then their friends never really see the person's ugly side, and so they think they're great.

I've considered this issue before. What is the female equivalent of "nice guy syndrome"?

I think it would be "modest girl syndrome"

Women who don't wear a ton of makeup, don't put out on the first date..second date, third date, fourth date...etc until marriage....or maybe not.

Maybe "clingy women syndrome" but even that seems lacking as an equivalent.

The problem is, men with nice guy syndrome tend to blame their problems on others, ie, the women who won't date them, while women in generally tend not to blame men who won't date them for not dating them, and almost always feel it has something to do with not being pretty enough.

While the men might dwell on their bitter feelings for women, women are more apt to go read some romance novel or watch the lifetime channel.

But the nice modest women are not going to get the "A list" guys. "A list" guys will always go for a supermodel, singer, or actress.

well ideally, any girl really should "finish" first

I'm not nice so I guess I don't have to worry....unless of course that word nice is the same word commonly applied to men on this forum.

I think that there's no correlation between Niceness/jerkiness and mating success.

In other terms,

There are plenty of jerk girls/guys can get gf/bf easily.

There are few of jerk girls/guys can't get gf/bf.

There are plenty of nice girls/guys can get gf/bf easily.

There are few of nice girls/guys can't get gf/bf.

The issue is not related to niceness/jerkiness.

zen_mistress wrote: "I am talking about [women] being rude, pushing people around perceived to be inferior, and being bitchy to other women not seen to be "making the grade"."

Other terms to describe those women are "alpha females" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_female ) and "Heathers" (from the 1989 film, "Heathers", http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097493/ ).