Is there a distinction between a big ego and confidence?

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25 Aug 2010, 12:25 am

Aside from that saying someone has a "big ego" has a negative connotation as opposed to saying that someone is "confident" carries a positive connotation, is there really any difference between having a big ego and being confident?

Or does it have to do with the level of confidence?

Maybe there is an optimal level of confidence and if you are described as egotistical then you have taken the level of confidence too far.

Is it possible to be too confident?


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25 Aug 2010, 12:26 am

GoatOnFire wrote:
Aside from that saying someone has a "big ego" has a negative connotation as opposed to saying that someone is "confident" carries a positive connotation, is there really any difference between having a big ego and being confident?

No. Narcissism is narcissism...



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25 Aug 2010, 12:35 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
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Aside from that saying someone has a "big ego" has a negative connotation as opposed to saying that someone is "confident" carries a positive connotation, is there really any difference between having a big ego and being confident?

No. Narcissism is narcissism...

Well, if so, the question is why does saying it one way have a very negative connotation while saying it the other way has a very positive connotation if it is essentially the same thing?


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25 Aug 2010, 1:27 am

GoatOnFire wrote:
Aside from that saying someone has a "big ego" has a negative connotation as opposed to saying that someone is "confident" carries a positive connotation, is there really any difference between having a big ego and being confident?

Or does it have to do with the level of confidence?

Maybe there is an optimal level of confidence and if you are described as egotistical then you have taken the level of confidence too far.

Is it possible to be too confident?


I'll give you an example.

If a woman turns down an unconfident man, he will likely get upset and self loathing, or butthurt and unbearable.
If a woman turns down a confident man, he will be a bit disappointed, but he will take it in his stride and move on without it really affecting him.
If a woman turns down a guy with a big ego, he will have a hissy fit or work himself up into frustration because he thinks women should want to date him. He cannot comprehend the fact that not every woman wants a piece of him.And when it does happen, he cannot cope with it.

I know several generic "hot" guys who fit the last one, as well as a few members of this board.

One guy on another message board who looks like one of those blonde tanned men started completely trashing everything about me from my looks to my personality when I said he's not my type to someone else on that forum. That is an example of someone with a HUGE ego and it's extremely unattractive.



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25 Aug 2010, 1:45 am

I think people put a lot of moral weighting into confidence and ego and low self esteem. They appear to think it makes them morally superior to have low self esteem and revel in it. I think they are people whos parents punished them for any sign of confidence and so they got in the habit of gaining aproval by showing signs of low self esteem.

People can have big egos and still have low self esteem. I would define a big ego as thinking your more important than other people and confidence as thinking your just as important as other people.



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25 Aug 2010, 1:45 am

GoatOnFire wrote:
Is there a distinction between a big ego and confidence?


yes.

big ego = narcissism / overcompensation for low confidence

confidence = healthy amount of self-respect


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25 Aug 2010, 2:51 am

hale_bopp wrote:
GoatOnFire wrote:
Aside from that saying someone has a "big ego" has a negative connotation as opposed to saying that someone is "confident" carries a positive connotation, is there really any difference between having a big ego and being confident?

Or does it have to do with the level of confidence?

Maybe there is an optimal level of confidence and if you are described as egotistical then you have taken the level of confidence too far.

Is it possible to be too confident?


I'll give you an example.

If a woman turns down an unconfident man, he will likely get upset and self loathing, or butthurt and unbearable.
If a woman turns down a confident man, he will be a bit disappointed, but he will take it in his stride and move on without it really affecting him.
If a woman turns down a guy with a big ego, he will have a hissy fit or work himself up into frustration because he thinks women should want to date him.

I know several generic "hot" guys who fit the last one, as well as a few members of this board.


You comparing low self-esteem with the high self-esteem.

Self-esteem is the fuel for confidence , confidence is earned .....not created.



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25 Aug 2010, 3:05 am

I think its tricky as perception of people is so different, for example people often call me arrogant. I refute the claim and say to myself that I appear arrogant but am not, but others may say 'no, you really are arrogant you dont just appear it'. So how one percieves oneself can be very different to other perceptions and very difficult to tell who is correct.



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25 Aug 2010, 3:08 am

No, i'm not. I think I summed up the egos pretty nicely. Ego is a sense of self importance.



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25 Aug 2010, 4:18 am

To be egotistic you have to fundamentally be delluded into a false sense of self importance.

The mind is such a powerful force we can create a very warped perception of the world around us should we choose to do so or are driven to do so by illness or life experiances. Egotism can also be created purposefully if you set out to build someone up into something they are not, particularly the children and young people. You would not be able to do that with someone who is very much set in their way and has a full and establised sense of who they are.

Confidence. Very easy to fake confidence. You simply can observe what it is to be confident and emulate such behaviour, its a rather shallow emotion in some respects and easily mistaken for other kinds of emotion. It seems to be confused easily with other behaviours such as belief, recklessness, aggression, dominance and arrogance. All confidence is is t give the illusion to other people that what you are saying and conveying to them you truly believe.

If you have ever been in a position of leadership amongst your work colleagues or friends you have been demonstrating confidence. You use confidence to re-assure other people that your course of action is correct even if the circumstances are quite volatile. I'll give you an example of this....

I had a "patient" a few years ago who had managed to breakout of the home while he was in a dangerous manic state. I was the nurse in charge that night and had four young inexperianced support workers who had never dealt with this individual before and were quite terrified of the behaviour they had just witnessed prior to him jumping over the fence and doing a runner.

He later returned armed with a broken glass bottle with full intention of doing me or my support workers harm. One of the support workers was outside assessing the damage he had done and trying to see what direction he had gone when he returned and he blocked off the entrance back into the home. So I basically went out and confronted him knowing full well that I had a good chance of being stabbed or maimed by this guy. Eventually I managed to calm him down and the situation slowly de escalated. But when I initially went to confront him, to the support workers i appeared to be the confident nurse who was in control of the situation. The reality was, I was absolutely sh*****g myself and I made myself go out and do it because i knew i couldn't leave the support worker out their on her own :lol:

If you are truly confident then you are truly delluded basically. So if you are truly confident you are truly egotistic.



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25 Aug 2010, 4:20 am

hale_bopp wrote:
No, i'm not. I think I summed up the egos pretty nicely. Ego is a sense of self importance.


Do you think if you reversed those summarised situations with a man rejecting a women you would have the same outcome? There seem to be slight differnces (wether that is due to the nature of female identity in our society or biological function I am uncertain) between the way a man's ego works and a woman's ego works



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25 Aug 2010, 4:34 am

Laz wrote:
To be egotistic you have to fundamentally be delluded into a false sense of self importance.

The mind is such a powerful force we can create a very warped perception of the world around us should we choose to do so or are driven to do so by illness or life experiances. Egotism can also be created purposefully if you set out to build someone up into something they are not, particularly the children and young people. You would not be able to do that with someone who is very much set in their way and has a full and establised sense of who they are.

Confidence. Very easy to fake confidence. You simply can observe what it is to be confident and emulate such behaviour, its a rather shallow emotion in some respects and easily mistaken for other kinds of emotion. It seems to be confused easily with other behaviours such as belief, recklessness, aggression, dominance and arrogance. All confidence is is t give the illusion to other people that what you are saying and conveying to them you truly believe.

If you have ever been in a position of leadership amongst your work colleagues or friends you have been demonstrating confidence. You use confidence to re-assure other people that your course of action is correct even if the circumstances are quite volatile. I'll give you an example of this....

I had a "patient" a few years ago who had managed to breakout of the home while he was in a dangerous manic state. I was the nurse in charge that night and had four young inexperianced support workers who had never dealt with this individual before and were quite terrified of the behaviour they had just witnessed prior to him jumping over the fence and doing a runner.

He later returned armed with a broken glass bottle with full intention of doing me or my support workers harm. One of the support workers was outside assessing the damage he had done and trying to see what direction he had gone when he returned and he blocked off the entrance back into the home. So I basically went out and confronted him knowing full well that I had a good chance of being stabbed or maimed by this guy. Eventually I managed to calm him down and the situation slowly de escalated. But when I initially went to confront him, to the support workers i appeared to be the confident nurse who was in control of the situation. The reality was, I was absolutely sh*****g myself and I made myself go out and do it because i knew i couldn't leave the support worker out their on her own :lol:

If you are truly confident then you are truly delluded basically. So if you are truly confident you are truly egotistic.

but wouldnt you think laz, that you were confident even though you were internally sh*****g yourself as you did the brave action, to protect your colleagues?

Its obviously quite a complicated thing. I would dexcribe myself as confident, but I do not think it is a shallow act, perhaps you would describe it as self beleif?

Also brain chemicals do have a lot to do with it as when Im a bit hypo manic I tend to think that I can do anything and achieve great things and take on several uni courses at once and wear provocative clothes, where as when Im not having a hypomanic episode I dont think I can do great deeds and want to wear modest clothes so it cant be integral in my character but a by product of the brain chemistry.



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25 Aug 2010, 5:50 am

Laz wrote:
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No, i'm not. I think I summed up the egos pretty nicely. Ego is a sense of self importance.


Do you think if you reversed those summarised situations with a man rejecting a women you would have the same outcome? There seem to be slight differnces (wether that is due to the nature of female identity in our society or biological function I am uncertain) between the way a man's ego works and a woman's ego works


Good question.. maybe. I've rejected people and been rejected. If someone rejects me I'm usually "meh". I can't speak for other women.

I'll get annoyed initially if they led me on in any way bu eventually you realise that its life and you move on.



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25 Aug 2010, 6:00 am

Ego is where you expect you deserve something. Confidence is the the willpower to try for something.

Ego in men is about as attractive as being vain in women...


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25 Aug 2010, 6:01 am

hale_bopp wrote:
Laz wrote:
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No, i'm not. I think I summed up the egos pretty nicely. Ego is a sense of self importance.


Do you think if you reversed those summarised situations with a man rejecting a women you would have the same outcome? There seem to be slight differnces (wether that is due to the nature of female identity in our society or biological function I am uncertain) between the way a man's ego works and a woman's ego works


Good question.. maybe. I've rejected people and been rejected. If someone rejects me I'm usually "meh". I can't speak for other women.

I'll get annoyed initially if they led me on in any way bu eventually you realise that its life and you move on.

I think it must be an integrity issue or something. Ive been hurt very much when someone I really liked/loved rejected me. However I would not say horrid things to them or behave badly, where as Ive come across a number of people who behave appaling when someone rejects them. I cant understand how they would behave like that and have no dignity.



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25 Aug 2010, 6:09 am

lotusblossom wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Laz wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
No, i'm not. I think I summed up the egos pretty nicely. Ego is a sense of self importance.


Do you think if you reversed those summarised situations with a man rejecting a women you would have the same outcome? There seem to be slight differnces (wether that is due to the nature of female identity in our society or biological function I am uncertain) between the way a man's ego works and a woman's ego works


Good question.. maybe. I've rejected people and been rejected. If someone rejects me I'm usually "meh". I can't speak for other women.

I'll get annoyed initially if they led me on in any way bu eventually you realise that its life and you move on.

I think it must be an integrity issue or something. Ive been hurt very much when someone I really liked/loved rejected me. However I would not say horrid things to them or behave badly, where as Ive come across a number of people who behave appaling when someone rejects them. I cant understand how they would behave like that and have no dignity.


It depends on the situation, how deep you were and how it's handled. I don't consider being rejected by someone the same as being dumped. Being dumped is a lot more painful.