Help take away the pain for those going through heartbreak

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29 Sep 2010, 4:26 am

I thought this might be a good idea.

Anyone who has had their heart broken knows that it's a living hell - every moment, every second of every day it's that feeling of pain and its totally out of your control.

I don't know what helps others, but even coming here and having a laugh at something in this thread or just to talk to give heartbroken people something to do to get their time off it might be good?

If you are going through heartbreak, don't forget that other people on this site will be willing to listen.

In the meanwhile.. enjoy monorail cat :P

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29 Sep 2010, 7:34 am

well it's no hug, but i guess it's worth something...



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29 Sep 2010, 8:40 am

I think it's a good idea. I know when I was heartbroken, I really wanted distraction but was too unmotivated to look for it; my mind was an utter blank. So a thread where people set out to amuse you sounds kinda cool; like a mental spa :P



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29 Sep 2010, 8:47 am

Immerse yourself in your obsessions. That's what I did when I felt heartbroken and it's what I do even today to make myself forget how lonely I am.



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29 Sep 2010, 9:49 am

There is a biological basis in the distractions:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0004153

It does dull the pain, but it doesn't take it away... In my experience, only actually somehow reversing your situation reverses your pain...



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29 Sep 2010, 9:56 pm

For me, the process of overcoming hearbreak can be like throwing a ball up in the air - the emotions will rise in time and feel lighter at certain points, and then whilst I feel good about myself, and feel healthy and peaceful, I must be careful not to think too heavily and reminisce - when I feel good about myself, a powerful thought doesn't warn me of pain that could happen if I reminisce more, because I feel good at the time, so without warning I then find that I might just carelessly think too much about the past then fall back down; I can suddenly find myself swamped with painful thoughts and emotions which I can't do much about until the pain vanishes again, because I didn't know my limitations when thinking and feeling too heavily about the past relationship when I was feeling good.

I think so much of feeling healthy and soothing heartbreak is what a person does when they feel at peace, and feel good about who they are; persuing interests and improving abilities is always great and rewarding both in the very short term and in the very long run - this is never negative - this is always a positive part of life. :)
My emotional inconsistency and occasional carelessness is what sometimes leads me into emotional problems and causes grief.

I should be more careful when I feel well - which today I sort of do - to not feel tempted to start thinking heavily about the past relationship when I feel at peace, thinking I can handle it when I find that soon after I can't, and then the emotions get serious.
There is a fine line for me that separates light pain - that doesn't hurt much and so therefore I don't feel any warnings - from a troubled depressive phase, so I should try to be more careful in the future to take more responsibility for my own welfare - I should treat my health with care and know my emotional limits.


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29 Sep 2010, 10:16 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
There is a biological basis in the distractions:

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Ad ... ne.0004153

It does dull the pain, but it doesn't take it away... In my experience, only actually somehow reversing your situation reverses your pain...


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30 Sep 2010, 2:59 am

I don't think I have ever fully recovered from any heartbreak. I still feel bad about getting dumped in the 6th grade. You just replace it with something different and don't dwell on what you can't change.



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30 Sep 2010, 9:43 am

Heartbreak can literally kill you. I've read a scientific article about it. I'll try and find the link if anyone's interested.



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30 Sep 2010, 10:13 am

Asp-Z wrote:
Heartbreak can literally kill you. I've read a scientific article about it. I'll try and find the link if anyone's interested.


Yeah it can't be easy on the heart. It must be something wrong with the heart.. as thats where the pain is when it happens.



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30 Sep 2010, 10:18 am

Correct.

Quote:
Study Suggests You Can Die of a Broken Heart
Stress Hormones Cause Fatal Spasms, Scientists Find

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 10, 2005; Page A03

As Valentine's Day approaches, scientists have confirmed the lament of countless love sonnets and romance novels: People really can die of a broken heart, and the researchers now think they know why.

A traumatic breakup, the death of a loved one or even the shock of a surprise party can unleash a flood of stress hormones that can stun the heart, causing sudden, life-threatening heart spasms in otherwise healthy people, researchers reported yesterday.

Sylvia Creamer of Walkersville, Md., developed severe chest pain after giving an emotional talk about her son's mental illness. She had an unusual heart malfunction, not a heart attack, as doctors first thought. (Ricky Carioti -- The Washington Post)

The phenomenon can trigger what seems like a classic heart attack and can put victims at risk for potentially severe complications and even death, the researchers found. By giving proper medical care, however, doctors can mend the physical aspect of a "broken heart" and avoid long-term damage.

"When you think about people who have died of a 'broken heart,' there are probably several ways that can happen," said Ilan S. Wittstein of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore, whose findings appear in today's New England Journal of Medicine. "A broken heart can kill you, and this may be one way."

No one knows how often it happens, but the researchers suspect it is more frequent than most doctors realize -- primarily among older women -- and is usually mistaken for a traditional heart attack.

That is what happened to Sylvia Creamer, 73, of Walkersville, Md., who experienced sudden, intense chest pain after giving an emotional talk about her son's battle with mental illness.

"I started having this heavy sensation just pushing down on my chest," said Creamer, who was taken to a hospital where doctors began treating her for what they thought was a heart attack. But Creamer's arteries were fine, and Wittstein and his colleagues subsequently determined that she had instead experienced an unusual heart malfunction. She quickly recovered.

The idea that someone can die from a broken heart has long been the subject of folklore, soap operas and literature. Researchers have known that stress can trigger heart attacks in people prone to them, and a syndrome resembling a heart attack in otherwise healthy people after acute emotional stress has been reported in Japan. But very little was known about the phenomenon in this country, and no one had any idea how it happened.

The new insight is perhaps the most striking example of the link between mind and body, several experts said.

"This is another in a long line of accumulating, well-documented effects of stress on the body," said Herbert Benson, a mind-body researcher at Harvard Medical School. "Stress must be viewed as a disease-causing entity."

The findings also underscore the growing realization that there are fundamental physiological differences between men and women, including how they respond to stress.

"This is why we need to do more research involving women," said cardiologist Deborah Barbour, speaking on behalf of the American Heart Association. "We can't extrapolate a man's response to a woman."

It remains unclear why women would be more vulnerable, but it may have something to do with hormones or how their brains are wired to their hearts.

"Women react differently to stress, particularly emotional stress. We see that in our daily lives," said Scott W. Sharkey of the Minneapolis Heart Institute, who described 22 similar cases last week in the journal Circulation.


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Moral of the story? Don't get into a relationship unless you want to risk death.



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30 Sep 2010, 11:16 am

Asp-Z wrote:
Correct.

Quote:
Study Suggests You Can Die of a Broken Heart
Stress Hormones Cause Fatal Spasms, Scientists Find

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 10, 2005; Page A03

As Valentine's Day approaches, scientists have confirmed the lament of countless love sonnets and romance novels: People really can die of a broken heart, and the researchers now think they know why.

A traumatic breakup, the death of a loved one or even the shock of a surprise party can unleash a flood of stress hormones that can stun the heart, causing sudden, life-threatening heart spasms in otherwise healthy people, researchers reported yesterday.

Sylvia Creamer of Walkersville, Md., developed severe chest pain after giving an emotional talk about her son's mental illness. She had an unusual heart malfunction, not a heart attack, as doctors first thought. (Ricky Carioti -- The Washington Post)

The phenomenon can trigger what seems like a classic heart attack and can put victims at risk for potentially severe complications and even death, the researchers found. By giving proper medical care, however, doctors can mend the physical aspect of a "broken heart" and avoid long-term damage.

"When you think about people who have died of a 'broken heart,' there are probably several ways that can happen," said Ilan S. Wittstein of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore, whose findings appear in today's New England Journal of Medicine. "A broken heart can kill you, and this may be one way."

No one knows how often it happens, but the researchers suspect it is more frequent than most doctors realize -- primarily among older women -- and is usually mistaken for a traditional heart attack.

That is what happened to Sylvia Creamer, 73, of Walkersville, Md., who experienced sudden, intense chest pain after giving an emotional talk about her son's battle with mental illness.

"I started having this heavy sensation just pushing down on my chest," said Creamer, who was taken to a hospital where doctors began treating her for what they thought was a heart attack. But Creamer's arteries were fine, and Wittstein and his colleagues subsequently determined that she had instead experienced an unusual heart malfunction. She quickly recovered.

The idea that someone can die from a broken heart has long been the subject of folklore, soap operas and literature. Researchers have known that stress can trigger heart attacks in people prone to them, and a syndrome resembling a heart attack in otherwise healthy people after acute emotional stress has been reported in Japan. But very little was known about the phenomenon in this country, and no one had any idea how it happened.

The new insight is perhaps the most striking example of the link between mind and body, several experts said.

"This is another in a long line of accumulating, well-documented effects of stress on the body," said Herbert Benson, a mind-body researcher at Harvard Medical School. "Stress must be viewed as a disease-causing entity."

The findings also underscore the growing realization that there are fundamental physiological differences between men and women, including how they respond to stress.

"This is why we need to do more research involving women," said cardiologist Deborah Barbour, speaking on behalf of the American Heart Association. "We can't extrapolate a man's response to a woman."

It remains unclear why women would be more vulnerable, but it may have something to do with hormones or how their brains are wired to their hearts.

"Women react differently to stress, particularly emotional stress. We see that in our daily lives," said Scott W. Sharkey of the Minneapolis Heart Institute, who described 22 similar cases last week in the journal Circulation.


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Moral of the story? Don't get into a relationship unless you want to risk death.


On the one hand...true. My grandmother died of a heart attack 2 months after my grandfather died of a stroke. Everybody in the family said that she had literally died of a broken heart. But on balance, I think she would say it was worth it.



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30 Sep 2010, 11:22 am

sluice wrote:
I don't think I have ever fully recovered from any heartbreak. I still feel bad about getting dumped in the 6th grade. You just replace it with something different and don't dwell on what you can't change.

Same here. My divorce still hurts even though it was the right thing to do. Heartbreak is simply a fact of life for everyone. All you can do is keep moving forward. Time does heal all wounds but the scars will remain.


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30 Sep 2010, 11:29 am

hale_bopp wrote:
I thought this might be a good idea.

Anyone who has had their heart broken knows that it's a living hell - every moment, every second of every day it's that feeling of pain and its totally out of your control.

I don't know what helps others, but even coming here and having a laugh at something in this thread or just to talk to give heartbroken people something to do to get their time off it might be good?

If you are going through heartbreak, don't forget that other people on this site will be willing to listen.

In the meanwhile.. enjoy monorail cat :P

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03 Oct 2010, 5:41 pm

Metal_Man wrote:
sluice wrote:
I don't think I have ever fully recovered from any heartbreak. I still feel bad about getting dumped in the 6th grade. You just replace it with something different and don't dwell on what you can't change.

Same here. My divorce still hurts even though it was the right thing to do. Heartbreak is simply a fact of life for everyone. All you can do is keep moving forward. Time does heal all wounds but the scars will remain.


Well, time WOULD heal all wounds if I would stop picking at the damn scab. The stuff your mom told you ("don't pick at it or it'll leave a scar!") rings true even for the emotional wounds.



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03 Oct 2010, 5:49 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Heartbreak can literally kill you. I've read a scientific article about it. I'll try and find the link if anyone's interested.


Yeah it can't be easy on the heart. It must be something wrong with the heart.. as thats where the pain is when it happens.


There is actually a risk assessment tool you can use to ascertain a persons risk of developing a serious health condition using recent changes in their life circumstances (such as moving house, marriage, new job, loosing a job etc) which is based on evidence from statistical analysis.

Breakup of a relationship is a very strong factor, though things like moving to a new home and a new job rank up highly as well.