So, why can women get away with working at like Vitaman Cott

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Why can women get away with working crap jobs while men are expected to have decent/good jobs. I thought we were living in a more equal society? It sure doesn't feel that way anymore.

I don't know, but what's 'Vitaman Cott'?

Some health food store my friend trish works at. I am pissed off that women can get away with working crappy jobs like that while men are expected to have decent/good jobs

Edit: the correct name is "Vitamin Cottage"

Oh geeze, not another men vs. women thread. No one said life/society is fair.

OP: i thought you were working on reducing the whole woman-hating thing. from october 10:

looks like you still have a very long way to go towards loving and accepting women.

Many of them want equal rights , but not equal responsibilities, it seems.

I was surprised when I found out that my love for cooking is really a turn off for a couple of girls I know (who claim to be feminist) , they expect me to have more ambition for better job positions, love for sport games and physical activities.... and less enthusiasm for cooking.

there are men that prefer women in traditional roles too - it doesn't mean the majority of men or women are like this. there are some men who won't vaccum the floor becuse it is 'women's work', but if we focus on the negative traditionalists, we will never make any progress at all. the OP is making a huge generalization about all women. not cool.

Eh??? What's wrong with those girls? I love it when a man can cook. It means that the guy and girl can combine their efforts to make a meal or when one gets sick, the other can make a meal for them. My Dad is a guy that loves to cook and is quite good at it, however he keeps getting the women who can't tell a tablespoon and a teaspoon apart. D:

I'm sure most of those women working crap jobs would like a decent, well paying job. Anyway, here there are just as many men who work crap jobs as women, and most of them probably have girlfriends...at least the younger ones.

Most people move beyond their crap jobs into something a little less crappy. Not doing so usually indicates something about your personality, or living situation.

For example, I know two guys, we'll call them Ted and Joe. Ted is a highschool dropout. He started working at a fastfood place when he was 17, and was promoted to 1st assistant manager after 6 months. Ted decided to leave that job after a friend of his parents offered him an entry level job in an office starting at $12/hour. Ted managed to get a few promotions while he was there, and after a 2 hour meeting one day, convinced his boss to give him a $12 dollar raise. Ted also started his own business on the side simply because he has a "doer" personality.

Joe started working at a fast food place when he was 20. He was promoted to 2nd assistant manager in a year. 9 years later he was still second assistant manager. Every time a spot for first assistant manager opened up, Joe refused to talk to his boss about it, because of his conviction that despite the fact that he was a good worker, they wouldn't choose him because some other guy was "friends" with the boss and so he didn't have a chance. As a result, numerous individuals with limited experience always passed Joe in the ranks.
He spent his entire time there, hoping that his boss would one day decide to promote him out of the blue on the basis that he was a good worker.

When Joe finally left that job, and applied for a position in the same industry, he only applied for the entry level positions, always clinging to the conviction that he had to start at the bottom of the ladder at each new place, despite having extensive management experience. And again, he does not let his boss know he'd like a promotion, citing the same "friends with this other guy"reason.

As a result, Joe is in his mid forties and still works a job that someone just starting out in the career world would work. In fact, all of his co-workers are in their 20's or are immigrants.

Joe's crappy job is a result of his low self image and low self esteem, the effects of which are quite pervasive and permeates to other aspects of his life. He's a good person but he has little in the way of concept of control of his life and easily resigns himself to situations he'd really rather not be in. His unwillingness to be proactive in the advancement of his career also hints at another personality trait. Fear of responsibility. As it turns out, the few times Joe was approached for promotion, he actually turned the position down. In reality, Joe does not have the capacity to handle more than a modest level of responsibility, leadership, and decision making.

A relationship is a team...or should be, and at times, one person or the other is going to have to act as leader of that team. Ted's relationships are two sided. He and his partner occasionally get into disagreements because they occasionally have different views and different visions of where the relationship should go and what needs to be done to maintain it. They both take a proactive role in it's administration though.

Joe does not offer this type of support in a relationship. He eventually shifts all of the responsibility to his partner as if she were his boss at work.

So you see, it really isn't all about the money at all.


A woman is more likely to take a crap job as auxiliary support for her family, because she likely sacrificed getting an education to raise children, and the crap jobs usually have more flexible work schedules. Most women who do not plan on having children advance their career.

So basically what you're saying is: be selfish?

:facepalm:

Toad- That's not what he was saying but this is what came to mind when I read your reply: when it comes to love you have to be a little bit selfish to prevent becoming a doormat to who you would be with at the time. I wish I had been a bit more considerate of my own needs in previous relationships, I would have gotten a lot more out of them. If you don't tell your partner what you need, they're not going to know. Mind readers are extremely rare you now.

Absolutely not. Where do you get that impression?

Chronos.

You fail to mention that you need to a college degree to go past an entry level position these days

Bla bla bla not this sh*t again.

If it worries you so much, stop making a million threads on Wrongplanet because it's not going to change anything, go out and do something about it.

That's not true of all fields. Neither "Ted" nor "Joe" had college degrees, nor did any of the positions "Joe" could have been promoted to, require them.