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01 Nov 2010, 11:44 am

Here is sometthing i found on yahoo answers

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Do most males with Asperger Syndrome not get their first girlfriend in high school or college? Is it really?
Are males with Asperger Syndrome not meant to experience companionship, dating, relationships, or sex? Yes, I know I have asked questions like this before, and I am gonna go to an Asperger Syndrome meet up event from going on the website www.meetup.com, because maybe my only hope of ever getting a girlfriend is a girl with Asperger Syndrome, Males with Asperger Syndrome have it a lot harder than Females with Asperger Syndrome, because us Males are expected to take the initiative in the dating/relationship/sex/hook-up world and scene, males have to make the first move, initiate conversations, make the girl like him, not vice-versa, so I guess I am basically screwed and am probably gonna become a 40 year old virgin, because I turn 21 next year and I have never had a girlfriend, never had sex, never hooked-up, etc. Also I will never go to a hooker or prostitute.
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Also, on one of my groups on Facebook, on the Asperger Syndrome group, I posted a question in the forum "Is it impossible for a male with Asperger Syndrome to get a girlfriend?" and a person said "pretty much, yes it is true" So is a male with Asperger Syndrome gonna be alone his entire life?
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I have a very hard time making small talk, I am unable to tell if I am being desperate or trying too hard. So am I doomed? should I committ suicide?
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Well to answer your question Confused, I am a suspected Aspie, I just have to get the medical insurance and get the official diagnosis.

Did I have a girlfriend in high school or college? No, I tried but couldn't for the life of me figure out how to start small talk, make first eye contact, or flirt with a girl in a playfully teasing way.

A quote from your question:

"Males with Asperger Syndrome have it a lot harder than Females with Asperger Syndrome, because us Males are expected to take the initiative in the dating/relationship/sex/hook-up world and scene, males have to make the first move, initiate conversations, make the girl like him, not vice-versa,"

This quote is 100% correct and is the main trouble many men with Asperger's Syndrome have a very difficult time with girlfriends, hooking up or even marriage itself. BTW, your quote is not a confidence issue, we JUST DON'T KNOW HOW.

Expecting an Aspie male to take control socially is like expecting someone who walks with a pronounced limp to do River Dance.

To Crucia: Sure Confused and I should thank God for the food and shelter we have but I think a lot of people miss the point that the long term lonliness can be absolutely crushing.


To Belly B: Women would not reject me outright for having A.S. per say, it was more the features that go along with A.S., like the mono-tone voice and lack of facial expressions, kinda creeped them out a bit.



So is it really impossible for men with AS to establish relationships?



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01 Nov 2010, 12:12 pm

many aspie men do eventually date or get married, so technically it CANNOT be impossible. but... it sounds like you have your mind made up already.

are you seeking to date and if so, what have you done to try to change your situation?


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01 Nov 2010, 12:33 pm

I have not done anything really to change my situation its just that I need some stress management skills so I can function better and i need to toughen up a little bit and act like a man not a girl. My height of 5'10 or 5'11 also knocks my confidence a little as well so i find it hard to cope with it.



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01 Nov 2010, 1:46 pm

Skip, scroll, scroll, skip. Ah!

Jamesy wrote:
is it really impossible for men with AS to establish relationships?


No.


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01 Nov 2010, 1:47 pm

It's not impossible, but it is a lot harder. You have to realize that social interaction will never come natural to you, and as a man, that makes you unacceptable dating material. You have to learn to hide your shortcomings and train yourself to be acceptable. Dating material refers to someone that does this as a social robot. Basically someone who has programmed themselves to say the right things, react the right way, and do what ever is necessary to get what they want. It's definately not an ideal situation, but you can yield some amazing results that way, and it's the best an aspie male can do from what I've known.

Here's an interesting chart for those who don't understand why aspie men have it tougher than aspie women. Meant to be funny, but so true:
http://www.kontraband.com/pics/24565/Th ... ge=35#show

Typical aspie traits may be less than ideal for women, but they're absolute dealbreakers for men.



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01 Nov 2010, 1:56 pm

Yeah but all women are different some will like aspie traits in men.



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01 Nov 2010, 2:15 pm

Jamesy, the fact that many men here are/have been in a relationship or even got married proves it's not impossible - from what some say, I suspect it might take longer.

deadeyexx - I have no idea where you live, but you made me feel so grateful I live in a place where it's not expected of women to be boring, not have an education and not pay for themselves.


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01 Nov 2010, 2:19 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Yeah but all women are different some will like aspie traits in men.


Maybe they should come the f**k forward so I know who they are! :twisted:



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01 Nov 2010, 2:28 pm

deadeyexx wrote:
It's not impossible, but it is a lot harder. You have to realize that social interaction will never come natural to you, and as a man, that makes you unacceptable dating material. You have to learn to hide your shortcomings and train yourself to be acceptable. Dating material refers to someone that does this as a social robot. Basically someone who has programmed themselves to say the right things, react the right way, and do what ever is necessary to get what they want. It's definately not an ideal situation, but you can yield some amazing results that way, and it's the best an aspie male can do from what I've known.

Here's an interesting chart for those who don't understand why aspie men have it tougher than aspie women. Meant to be funny, but so true:
http://www.kontraband.com/pics/24565/Th ... ge=35#show

Typical aspie traits may be less than ideal for women, but they're absolute dealbreakers for men.

ummm, no. i guess you're ignoring the experiences of dozens of women on WP who have had difficulty in finding men to appreciate them. they don't have it easier than aspie men, so it is a generalization that doesn't fit. an aspie woman might find it easier in some cases to get a random f*ck, but it is just as hard for an aspie man or an aspie woman to establish a real relationship.

it is ridiculous that it has to be some kind of comparison of who has it harder. this isn't a pi$$ing contest.


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01 Nov 2010, 2:28 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Yeah but all women are different some will like aspie traits in men.


Once they get to know you, yes. But there's a lot of introductory steps to get thru first where aspie traits don't help. Let's say the perfect girl for you lives right on the other side of town. How will you find her? You don't get out much since you don't have many friends. You don't make small talk with random people because you're bad at it. Nobody gets to know who you are or what you're looking for. If that girl does happen to see you, you'll just be a random guy to her. Her friends can't vouch for you because they don't know you. You're simply not on the radar.

You may be geographically within 5 miles, but light years away socially.



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01 Nov 2010, 2:34 pm

thanks deadeyxx your advice has helped :D



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02 Nov 2010, 6:47 am

I've never kissed, never had a GF, still virgin, and I'm 28. I'm an Aspie male, and I definitely find relationships hard.



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02 Nov 2010, 8:18 am

I think it gets more easier for aspie men as they get older as the culture of their peers changes and aspie qualities of stability and loyalty are more attractive to women of the 'later 20's +' age group.

However I would recomend any aspie guy works on his self esteem and confidence with self help books, hypnotism, NLP etc. From what Ive seen aspie men can 'pull' if their sex drive out ways their anxiety and most men who do not 'pull' its because they feel too anxious about it and too nervous of women. So work on your confidence, anxiety and stress before you try to 'date' or 'pull'.

I dont think it is harder or easier for either gender but I do think it is different and I think both genders are unhappy often. I think makeing a 'war' between aspie men and women insted of supporting each other is unhelpful and creates a devide rather than encourageing love and good feelings.

I am certainly not able to maintain relationships and have not found being able to 'pull' helpful in my life as I cant keep them. I found it very painful haveing bad relationships and ruining good relationships and its very painful going through relationship breakdown and seperation (esp with kids involved).

I would rather have the pain of being alone than the pain of heart break and have made the decision to be alone for my life.



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02 Nov 2010, 9:32 am

lotusblossom wrote:
I think it gets more easier for aspie men as they get older as the culture of their peers changes and aspie qualities of stability and loyalty are more attractive to women of the 'later 20's +' age group.

However I would recomend any aspie guy works on his self esteem and confidence with self help books, hypnotism, NLP etc. From what Ive seen aspie men can 'pull' if their sex drive out ways their anxiety and most men who do not 'pull' its because they feel too anxious about it and too nervous of women. So work on your confidence, anxiety and stress before you try to 'date' or 'pull'.

I dont think it is harder or easier for either gender but I do think it is different and I think both genders are unhappy often. I think makeing a 'war' between aspie men and women insted of supporting each other is unhelpful and creates a devide rather than encourageing love and good feelings.

I am certainly not able to maintain relationships and have not found being able to 'pull' helpful in my life as I cant keep them. I found it very painful haveing bad relationships and ruining good relationships and its very painful going through relationship breakdown and seperation (esp with kids involved).

I would rather have the pain of being alone than the pain of heart break and have made the decision to be alone for my life.

great advice here. sounds like you made some hard decisions for yourself.


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02 Nov 2010, 12:16 pm

deadeyexx wrote:
It's not impossible, but it is a lot harder. You have to realize that social interaction will never come natural to you, and as a man, that makes you unacceptable dating material. You have to learn to hide your shortcomings and train yourself to be acceptable. Dating material refers to someone that does this as a social robot. Basically someone who has programmed themselves to say the right things, react the right way, and do what ever is necessary to get what they want. It's definately not an ideal situation, but you can yield some amazing results that way, and it's the best an aspie male can do from what I've known.

Here's an interesting chart for those who don't understand why aspie men have it tougher than aspie women. Meant to be funny, but so true:
http://www.kontraband.com/pics/24565/Th ... ge=35#show

Typical aspie traits may be less than ideal for women, but they're absolute dealbreakers for men.


Um, I hate to say this but according to that chart most aspie women probably have it equally hard. Specifically; "voices any sort of strong opinion", "expresses any sort of emotional instability", etc. But I digress. in my opinion Aspie women have equally debilitating issues in relationships, those issues just crop up more in a different context.

Like another poster said, Aspie women may find it easier to get a one night stand than aspie men (for obvious reasons), but when it comes to maintaining a long term relationship, well...


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02 Nov 2010, 12:28 pm

Well, I guess the only thing you can do is give your best shot in life at bettering yourself....thats it