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03 Nov 2010, 12:31 am

Today my bestfriend/housemate who is a female, told me that she is trying to date one of our mutual friends. This upsets me because, in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement and I just feel frustrated that she is choosing this other person over me. He is border line alcoholic, he smokes big fat cigars all the time, rarely washes and let's just say is probably heading down the road to living on the streets. Put simply, he has a lot of problems that will not be fixed overnight.

So why on earth would she choose this person over me for a partner? He nor I have a lot of friends, we don't enjoy being hugged, he even less so. So what makes him so special that she would choose him over me?

I feel this is my lot in life, to always be picked over for someone else.

I hate coming on here to whine and moan, but I trust strangers more than people I know, and it's easier to just type out a string of consciousness than to just tell some one.

Oh, she also came home and lectured me that if I wanted to make more friends, then I should make an effort to just call people up and ask to hang out. I just don't think she completely understands how I work. And if she doesn't I doubt anyone will

Feel free to just ignore this.



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03 Nov 2010, 12:58 am

I don't think this is your problem. It's just life. She's choosing to pursue him, but it doesn't mean that he's better than you as a person. I know it must feel horrible to you, so I hope you feel better soon. Who knows, maybe she IS into you, and she just told you this to see your reaction. People can be pretty complicated, but I hope things go well for you no matter what happens.



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03 Nov 2010, 2:32 am

You declare yourself to be her best friend. If that is true, she is not choosing him over you, because she has no romantic interest in you. You will remain her best friend, and this man will become her boyfriend, and possibly ex-boyfriend or husband. Who knows. The point is, if you were really her best friend, keyword friend, you should theoretically have no problem with her dating someone.

I speculate that you are, in actuality, not her best friend. You are a guy who has plated himself in the friend zone, masquerading as a friend, in hopes that someday you will advance out of that friend zone and become her boyfriend, because you have interests in her that someone who is merely a friend would not.

I notice that in these posts, men such as yourself make an itemized list, illustrating for us, what a loser the other guy is, while simultaneously declaring themselves superior and concluding that she should be dating them, and not the guy she has chosen.
(Women just tend to refer to the other woman as a fast, ugly skank, slut, b!tch, tramp, or something else...rhymes with bore)

She chose this person over you because she is attracted to him despite the negative qualities you list. She feels, they have "chemistry" together. That is what makes him special to her.

I know that can be difficult to accept but that is your answer.


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I feel this is my lot in life, to always be picked over for someone else.


I don't think you were "picked over". She see's you as a friend, and that is how you define yourself to her, and us. Not a potential love interest. Perhaps your problem is you don't announce your intention as a potential love interest from near the beginning.

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Oh, she also came home and lectured me that if I wanted to make more friends, then I should make an effort to just call people up and ask to hang out. I just don't think she completely understands how I work. And if she doesn't I doubt anyone will


She probably doesn't, and that just underscores how she is likely not the right person for you, and you are likely not the right person for her. And why would you think that if she doesn't understand, no one will? I don't see any logic in that. There are many different people in the world and I am willing to bet many on here do understand.



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03 Nov 2010, 3:31 am

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Perhaps your problem is you don't announce your intention as a potential love interest from near the beginning.

Or perhaps he wasn't interested to start with, and then she grew on him.



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03 Nov 2010, 5:46 am

SteamPowerDev wrote:
Today my bestfriend/housemate who is a female, told me that she is trying to date one of our mutual friends. This upsets me because, in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement and I just feel frustrated that she is choosing this other person over me. He is border line alcoholic, he smokes big fat cigars all the time, rarely washes and let's just say is probably heading down the road to living on the streets. Put simply, he has a lot of problems that will not be fixed overnight.

So why on earth would she choose this person over me for a partner? He nor I have a lot of friends, we don't enjoy being hugged, he even less so. So what makes him so special that she would choose him over me?

I feel this is my lot in life, to always be picked over for someone else.

I hate coming on here to whine and moan, but I trust strangers more than people I know, and it's easier to just type out a string of consciousness than to just tell some one.

Oh, she also came home and lectured me that if I wanted to make more friends, then I should make an effort to just call people up and ask to hang out. I just don't think she completely understands how I work. And if she doesn't I doubt anyone will

Feel free to just ignore this.


Sounds like your best friend is desperate. I think you need to take a step back and let her go ahead so she can learn from her mistakes. Then, when the chips are down you'll be there to break her fall - leaving the ball firmly in your court...



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03 Nov 2010, 12:39 pm

bucephalus wrote:
SteamPowerDev wrote:
Today my bestfriend/housemate who is a female, told me that she is trying to date one of our mutual friends. This upsets me because, in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement and I just feel frustrated that she is choosing this other person over me. He is border line alcoholic, he smokes big fat cigars all the time, rarely washes and let's just say is probably heading down the road to living on the streets. Put simply, he has a lot of problems that will not be fixed overnight.

So why on earth would she choose this person over me for a partner? He nor I have a lot of friends, we don't enjoy being hugged, he even less so. So what makes him so special that she would choose him over me?

I feel this is my lot in life, to always be picked over for someone else.

I hate coming on here to whine and moan, but I trust strangers more than people I know, and it's easier to just type out a string of consciousness than to just tell some one.

Oh, she also came home and lectured me that if I wanted to make more friends, then I should make an effort to just call people up and ask to hang out. I just don't think she completely understands how I work. And if she doesn't I doubt anyone will

Feel free to just ignore this.


Sounds like your best friend is desperate. I think you need to take a step back and let her go ahead so she can learn from her mistakes. Then, when the chips are down you'll be there to break her fall - leaving the ball firmly in your court...


Such is the thinking of a "nice guy". New flash. It doesn't work. She isn't into him or obviously she would have taken the opportunity to date him already.

I also dispute that she is dating this "loser" because she is desperate. She is dating him because she is into him for whatever reason.



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03 Nov 2010, 1:43 pm

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Today my bestfriend/housemate who is a female, told me that she is trying to date one of our mutual friends. This upsets me because, in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement and I just feel frustrated that she is choosing this other person over me. He is border line alcoholic, he smokes big fat cigars all the time, rarely washes and let's just say is probably heading down the road to living on the streets. Put simply, he has a lot of problems that will not be fixed overnight.


Sounds like the classic case of the "nice guy" being upstaged by an alpha male. There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol or smoking cigars, by the way.

If you wanted her to choose you instead, why didn't you make a move on her beforehand? If you never made a move, she probably just thinks of you of as a platonic "best friend" - kind of like a male version of a female friend. That's not her fault, if she had no idea you wanted anything more than that.

The other guy may be a cigar-chomping, Scotch-chugging street punk, but if I was a girl, I'd probably rather date a guy like that than put up with the stereotypical "nice guy". At least there's more excitement and interest.

You sound like a great guy, with a lot to offer. Get up and tell her how you feel, before it's too late. Just be confident and say what you want to say. Don't get stuck as the bland, sexless "nice guy."



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03 Nov 2010, 3:00 pm

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Today my bestfriend/housemate who is a female, told me that she is trying to date one of our mutual friends. This upsets me because, in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement and I just feel frustrated that she is choosing this other person over me. He is border line alcoholic, he smokes big fat cigars all the time, rarely washes and let's just say is probably heading down the road to living on the streets. Put simply, he has a lot of problems that will not be fixed overnight.


Sounds like the classic case of the "nice guy" being upstaged by an alpha male. There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol or smoking cigars, by the way.

If you wanted her to choose you instead, why didn't you make a move on her beforehand? If you never made a move, she probably just thinks of you of as a platonic "best friend" - kind of like a male version of a female friend. That's not her fault, if she had no idea you wanted anything more than that.

The other guy may be a cigar-chomping, Scotch-chugging street punk, but if I was a girl, I'd probably rather date a guy like that than put up with the stereotypical "nice guy". At least there's more excitement and interest.

You sound like a great guy, with a lot to offer. Get up and tell her how you feel, before it's too late. Just be confident and say what you want to say. Don't get stuck as the bland, sexless "nice guy."


He should just forget about her for a while and go out and make some effort to socialize with other girls.



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03 Nov 2010, 4:56 pm

If you are a "best" friend of a female your age, is it not better than having no female friend at all? I made this mistake years ago with an asian girl I knew quite well. I thought and tried to hint out to her from near the beginning that I was attracted to her but eventually realised she wasn't interested and then I gave up on her completely. Sadly, I haven't even got that far with any woman since.

So, here's a few things worth thinking about:
1. Having a female friend is something and something is better than nothing.
2. If you cease to be a friend to her, you may never find another woman as a friend for years or ever.
3. Things change over time. If the other guy is an a** she might later ditch him, giving you a chance.
4. As others have said, she doesn't know you fancy her unless you tell (hint to) her.
5. You have a better chance of another girl you meet fancying you if you already have a female friend and show you can maintain friends.

Sadly some people get frustrated and lose their patience too quickly the one time they have the chance to really achieve something. They later realise their error but it doesn't matter because it's too late for them and they may never even get a second chance.


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You are all that I have now, you are all that I miss
Since when did we need more to life than this?


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03 Nov 2010, 6:28 pm

crap happens dude. Live on and learn from your mistakes. This sounds like the badass vs. nice guy attitude here, but there are women who see men who act like jerks as douchebags.



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03 Nov 2010, 6:54 pm

That's why I don't believe in mutual true best friendship between the 2 genders, this how usually it ends up.....and often one-sided admiration is there since its beginning.



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03 Nov 2010, 8:33 pm

Don't tell her how you feel. She's your housemate. There's more at stake than friendship; if you fall out it'd be highly inconvenient for both of you.

This is your problem:

SteamPowerDev wrote:
in my entire life, she is the only woman that has ever shown any interest in me, either friendship or even something above polite acknowledgement

at a guess, you could probably benefit from expanding your circle of acquaintances, or finding other social outlets.



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03 Nov 2010, 10:25 pm

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He should just forget about her for a while and go out and make some effort to socialize with other girls.


Good advice.