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27 Apr 2011, 3:01 pm

A lot of men on WP complain that it's unfair that we have to make the first move etc? Personally, I'm not bothered about this, but I am bothered that women care so much about a man's income (oh yes they do). It puts men in a very difficult position if we're trying to rebuild our careers, and we have to think carefully before taking financial risks (as men don't really care how much women make, from a dating perspective, women are much freer in this regard).

On the flipside, though, women on WP complain that they have to put so much effort into their appearance, and men's standards are unrealistically high when it comes to a woman's looks. And I don't deny this is true.

Sooo....

Who wishes sometimes that the social roles of the genders were reversed? This is nothing to do with fetish, just a practical wish.

In this role reversed world women would be expected to make decent money, make the first move, pay for the first date, etc., but they wouldn't have to put quite as much effort into their appearance as they do now.

On the flipside, men would have to put a bit more effort into their appearance (more hours down the gym, etc.), but they wouldn't have to make great money, make the first move, etc.

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?



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27 Apr 2011, 3:07 pm

Equality sounds good to me. I don't care about income whatsoever by the way.



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27 Apr 2011, 4:33 pm

Either one would suck for me... I look bad and i have s**t for cash right now. I just want my autistic technocracy to arise, where desirability is based on how well one can interface with technology. Then i'd be hot s**t...



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27 Apr 2011, 4:52 pm

Another_Alien wrote:
In this role reversed world women would be expected to make decent money, make the first move, pay for the first date, etc., but they wouldn't have to put quite as much effort into their appearance as they do now.

been there, done that. have paid for the first date, was the major breadwinner in my house for several years, etc. not a big deal - i prefer equality over role rigidity.


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27 Apr 2011, 5:00 pm

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I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.

Don't forget to breastfeed the baby.



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27 Apr 2011, 5:02 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.

Don't forget to breastfeed the baby.

i read somewhere that a man can really do that as they have the necessary tissue. some father in china did it maybe.


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27 Apr 2011, 5:18 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.


Ah, but that's not how the real world works is it (not in the West anyway)? Women aren't slaves, whatever feminists may claim. They do most of the housework, but it's all part of a grand trade-off, i.e. they have more options.



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27 Apr 2011, 5:20 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.

Don't forget to breastfeed the baby.

i read somewhere that a man can really do that as they have the necessary tissue. some father in china did it maybe.


I highly doubt that men can do this. If this one Chinese guy did it it was just one of those one in a million things.



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27 Apr 2011, 5:26 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.

Don't forget to breastfeed the baby.

i read somewhere that a man can really do that as they have the necessary tissue. some father in china did it maybe.


Yes, male boobs' structures aren't that different, they can produce milk , but I think a certain level of estrogen is needed.



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27 Apr 2011, 5:27 pm

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.


Ah, but that's not how the real world works is it (not in the West anyway)? Women aren't slaves, whatever feminists may claim. They do most of the housework, but it's all part of a grand trade-off, i.e. they have more options.


WHY so serious? :jester:



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27 Apr 2011, 5:33 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Another_Alien wrote:

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich. Now.


Ah, but that's not how the real world works is it (not in the West anyway)? Women aren't slaves, whatever feminists may claim. They do most of the housework, but it's all part of a grand trade-off, i.e. they have more options.


WHY so serious? :jester:


Just making a point. I'm not angry or anything. lol



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27 Apr 2011, 9:33 pm

Umm.... your income only matters if you are not attractive socially. Money can make up for many deficiencies. If you are talking about long-term relationships... that's different, what I say above is for short-term hook-ups. For Long-term relationships, especially one that leads to marriage or life-long companionship, money tends to be more important unless you marry someone rich.

Women rank men on their social value. Women care about their own social value(especially around other women) but men have tunnel vision(which is not exactly a bad thing) and only see what's in front of them, so thats why women stress on their looks.

Men rank women on their looks. Men also care about their own looks, but only to increase their social value because thats what women want.

It's an annoying dance, but one that we've been doing for thousands of years, so it's genetically built in. Though a default... it is changeable but requires social constructs like equality and ideologies and understandings based on that to to tame these primitive impulses.


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27 Apr 2011, 9:41 pm

Also... Now our days, it doesn't really matter... both sides(with regards to NT's) are on the offense with regards to wooing their desired mate, and take initiative so that another person doesn't pick up the one they want.


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27 Apr 2011, 10:15 pm

Another_Alien wrote:
A lot of men on WP complain that it's unfair that we have to make the first move etc? Personally, I'm not bothered about this, but I am bothered that women care so much about a man's income (oh yes they do). It puts men in a very difficult position if we're trying to rebuild our careers, and we have to think carefully before taking financial risks (as men don't really care how much women make, from a dating perspective, women are much freer in this regard).

On the flipside, though, women on WP complain that they have to put so much effort into their appearance, and men's standards are unrealistically high when it comes to a woman's looks. And I don't deny this is true.

Sooo....

Who wishes sometimes that the social roles of the genders were reversed? This is nothing to do with fetish, just a practical wish.

In this role reversed world women would be expected to make decent money, make the first move, pay for the first date, etc., but they wouldn't have to put quite as much effort into their appearance as they do now.

On the flipside, men would have to put a bit more effort into their appearance (more hours down the gym, etc.), but they wouldn't have to make great money, make the first move, etc.

I don't know if I'd really want to live in a world like this. But I sometimes think my life would be easier if I did. :?


Well as far as the first move goes, I wouldn't care as it's what i've always done.
As for the rest.. meh, i'm not really looking for a boyfriend.



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27 Apr 2011, 10:21 pm

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Well as far as the first move goes, I wouldn't care as it's what i've always done.
As for the rest.. meh, i'm not really looking for a boyfriend.

interesting! i wonder how common it is with other aspie women? i am the same way. i can't read signals anyways so i just dive in and hope for the best.


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27 Apr 2011, 10:27 pm

In my single days, I enjoyed being asked out for a date with a woman.

The drawback is that more than half of the time, the women who invited me on dates still expected me pick them up in my own car and pay for everything.

The person making the invitation for the date should expect to pay, and not the person being invited.