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ToadOfSteel
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21 Jul 2011, 1:06 am

...to make rejections less painful?

I just want to be able to ask a girl out, apply for a job, hell, even being able to join a group would be nice. But the looming threat of rejection is always poised to strike when i am at my weakest: alone.

Some suggest that you just ignore it or not care about it, which to them works as some sort of plot armor, but to me it just doesn't make any sense, as in order to put myself out there, I have to care about it. I'm not going to ask out a girl I don't even know... most of the time im not even attracted at that point. It's only after getting to know a girl that I start thinking about it, feeling attractions, and all that, and it's only then that I could even contemplate asking a girl out. And needless to say, "not caring" when asking a girl out in that situation is only doing both of us a disservice.



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21 Jul 2011, 8:52 am

One thing to keep in mind is that someone who's rejecting you isn't really rejecting YOU. The extent that they know you is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the things that make you up. We get this idea that a girl rejecting us is saying "Everything you are and do is worthless to me," but that's simply not the case at all. Maybe the girl's attracted to a particular type: Tall guys, cowboys, older men, etc...and you just don't fit into that category. Are you a lesser person because you're not 6'2? Hell no. Don't mistake THEIR shallowness for your failure.


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21 Jul 2011, 8:57 am

You'll always care. Everyone cares.

It's possible to not care that you care. If that makes any sense?



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21 Jul 2011, 9:07 am

K-R-X wrote:
You'll always care. Everyone cares.

It's possible to not care that you care. If that makes any sense?


This^

I just forget the whole thing and move on as quickly as possible, don't try a different approach, just wish her well and move on immediately



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21 Jul 2011, 10:42 am

I wish I could forget... every failure, rejection, or just plain bad moment in my life replays over and over again in my head like a broken record. The process is involuntary, I just can't seem to stop it. And people wonder why i'm "depressed"...



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21 Jul 2011, 10:50 am

ToadOfSteel wrote:
I wish I could forget... every failure, rejection, or just plain bad moment in my life replays over and over again in my head like a broken record. The process is involuntary, I just can't seem to stop it. And people wonder why i'm "depressed"...


I suffer from the same thing, and it's been a constant burden on any semblance of self-esteem i've had. So I can definately symphatize with facing that s**t every day. It's horrible, example I can sit in a class room, or having a beer with some guys from my uni or any situation, and suddenly the worst moments of my life can roll infront of my eyes for no apparent reason and there's no stopping it. It just makes you feel like finding some deep cave and hiding there forever...


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21 Jul 2011, 11:50 am

Garath wrote:
ToadOfSteel wrote:
I wish I could forget... every failure, rejection, or just plain bad moment in my life replays over and over again in my head like a broken record. The process is involuntary, I just can't seem to stop it. And people wonder why i'm "depressed"...


I suffer from the same thing, and it's been a constant burden on any semblance of self-esteem i've had. So I can definately symphatize with facing that sh** every day. It's horrible, example I can sit in a class room, or having a beer with some guys from my uni or any situation, and suddenly the worst moments of my life can roll infront of my eyes for no apparent reason and there's no stopping it. It just makes you feel like finding some deep cave and hiding there forever...

yes, this is called ruminating and it is the flip side of worry, which focuses on future events. they are equally crippling, and rumination can feed into worry.

therapy can help. also meds can help. it gets to the point where failures become like obsessions in and of themselves. i don't have that problem with dating (been rejected A LOT), but i do have that problem with jobs. i feel like i failed at a job so i go for jobs with progressivly less responsibility (i am earning 33% less than i was 3 years ago).

it isn't something a person can turn off like a faucet. i think it can require a lot of hard work in an indirect way. i.e. working on the source of the problems and changing the actual thinking patterns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumination ... chology%29


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21 Jul 2011, 3:03 pm

I deal with rejection a lot in my line of work. It is a near constant (amazing I can eek out a living at it). After experiencing this innumerable times, rejection of this nature sort of rolls off my back -- yeah it still sucks, but I get right out there and work on my career.

Now that's my career. Women and relationships are an entirely different experience because it does feel like they're rejecting the entirety of you. But as a friend pointed out to me, it's a numbers game...you have to meet as many potential partners as possible -- that means no time for down time, haha. So I've taken a different approach since my 20s; I embrace the pain instead of wallowing in it. I don't mean being masochistic about it, but acknowledging that it does hurt, and letting it hurt you. Trying to avoid it or lessen it only made me timid in future engagements. It was a self-inflicted Pavlovian response in a way. Yeah, it f*****g hurts! But know that because it hurts, you're still alive and human and beautiful for it. Because if it didn't hurt, you'd be emotionally dead, right?



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21 Jul 2011, 6:01 pm

I'm a proactive pessimist. I assume failure from the outset, which prepares me for the worst, and then develop a "what the hell" attitude. If it doesn't matter what you do, you can do anything you like. Look on the upcoming rejection as a chance to try something different and fun. That girl is going to turn you down anyway, so why not try a different approach for the hell of it? You aren't getting this job, so try out some new interview patter. Occasionally you'll be entirely wrongfooted and you don't get rejected at all - and then one is pleasantly surprised.

I'm somewhat bipolar, though I seem to cope fairly well with it and have never needed medication yet. But I do have days when I remember my car accident, or the period when my partner fell into alcoholism, or the time I was attacked at university, or the fact I spent so much of my life lonely and miserable. Even in my bright days I struggle to think of things that made me happy - I know there are some, but I can't remember how they felt. Only the melancholy stays in the mind. Gee, thanks, biology. It's lucky for God I don't believe in him, or I'd be pretty darn pissed with the mess he made of me.



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21 Jul 2011, 6:11 pm

ToadOfSteel wrote:
...to make rejections less painful?

I just want to be able to ask a girl out, apply for a job, hell, even being able to join a group would be nice. But the looming threat of rejection is always poised to strike when i am at my weakest: alone.

Some suggest that you just ignore it or not care about it, which to them works as some sort of plot armor, but to me it just doesn't make any sense, as in order to put myself out there, I have to care about it. I'm not going to ask out a girl I don't even know... most of the time im not even attracted at that point. It's only after getting to know a girl that I start thinking about it, feeling attractions, and all that, and it's only then that I could even contemplate asking a girl out. And needless to say, "not caring" when asking a girl out in that situation is only doing both of us a disservice.


Oh!

Most people really only care about themselves in the end.

So, they aren't rejecting you, they just are trying to be selfish.

Problem isn't with you = they have the problem



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21 Jul 2011, 9:57 pm

Just do what I do. Not dates, no jobs, no nothing. If you never put yourself out there, you will never get hurt.. (Im kidding, don't. Its not fun)

No but honestly, someone once gave me really good advice. Stand in front of a mirror and just say no, no, no, over and over again. Its something you are not used to hearing much, and can be painful, but eventually you get used to it, you just need practice. People are often scared of the unknown, make it less unknown.. For some strange reason it works... Not sure how good it is for you ego..



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21 Jul 2011, 11:42 pm

sagan wrote:
Just do what I do. Not dates, no jobs, no nothing. If you never put yourself out there, you will never get hurt.. (Im kidding, don't. Its not fun)

No but honestly, someone once gave me really good advice. Stand in front of a mirror and just say no, no, no, over and over again. Its something you are not used to hearing much, and can be painful, but eventually you get used to it, you just need practice. People are often scared of the unknown, make it less unknown.. For some strange reason it works... Not sure how good it is for you ego..


I might give that one a try, i'm not afraid of pain of dissappointment but one can never be too prepared for it


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22 Jul 2011, 1:03 am

I was a huge pessimist until I just decided I had enough and I was beating myself up concentrating on the negatives for nothing. Change starts with taking small steps. I see a huge difference in my way of thinking now.

Rejection is more painful if you have high expectations. Its better not to expect much even from close friends and relatives. I don't mean you should not work hard towards achieving something. I mean just don't have too many expectations.



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22 Jul 2011, 1:07 am

pree10shun wrote:
Rejection is more painful if you have high expectations. Its better not to expect much even from close friends and relatives. I don't mean you should not work hard towards achieving something. I mean just don't have too many expectations.


You read my mind. Never expect too much of others, but always expect your best effort. As long as you tried the best you could, it's the world's problem and not yours.



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22 Jul 2011, 1:24 am

chrissyrun wrote:
pree10shun wrote:
Rejection is more painful if you have high expectations. Its better not to expect much even from close friends and relatives. I don't mean you should not work hard towards achieving something. I mean just don't have too many expectations.


You read my mind. Never expect too much of others, but always expect your best effort. As long as you tried the best you could, it's the world's problem and not yours.


You described it better :)



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22 Jul 2011, 1:48 am

pree10shun wrote:
chrissyrun wrote:
pree10shun wrote:
Rejection is more painful if you have high expectations. Its better not to expect much even from close friends and relatives. I don't mean you should not work hard towards achieving something. I mean just don't have too many expectations.


You read my mind. Never expect too much of others, but always expect your best effort. As long as you tried the best you could, it's the world's problem and not yours.


You described it better :)


Thanks....hey...I know this is kinda off topic...but since you are up, and I think you may or may not have experience, could you reply to my thread. I really don't know about college and such.

Heres the link:
College and Counselors thread....link

Thanks ps!