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06 Apr 2012, 11:39 pm

When my libido gets the better of me...

I had a date tonight, I said from the moment I decided to go out with this girl tonight that I am not interested in anything serious. Then four hours into the date I found myself in my bed with this girl thinking I may have just mislead her with my actions. I could see it bothered her that I expected her to leave as well. I made her hot chocolate and told her I really wanted some alone time since this whole weekend will be spent with family. That seemed to be easier for her to accept...

I haven't dated in a really long time but I used to do exactly this and I never say I want a girlfriend or a boyfriend, I make it so clear verbally but it's like with girls making out and bedroom nonsense is an indication that we're going somewhere... I say this after getting three texts from her not more than fifteen minutes after she left.



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06 Apr 2012, 11:42 pm

I have this problem with guys I mean sure I have made out with cute guys befor but I never wanted to date them they just get mad and leave but never stop texting me I tell them I wasn't trying to lead them on but they never believe me.



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06 Apr 2012, 11:48 pm

yup, girls tend to think of sex as a sign that the relationship is serious. you have to be very, very clear that you only want a one-night stand or just don't have sex until you're also invested in the relationship.



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06 Apr 2012, 11:51 pm

Why would you date someone if you're not interested in anything serious? That doesn't make any sense to me. If you just want to have sex, can't you do it without dating?



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06 Apr 2012, 11:57 pm

Women have a much stronger oxytocin response than men. In men the window of oxytocin influence lasts like 2 days. For women it typically lasts 2 weeks. So women may, even unintentionally, have a more emotional and long lasting response to sex than maybe they intended. Although, I would also say that if someone sleeps with you within roughly 4 hours, they probably don't have the best self-esteem and maybe that should have been a warning to both you and them. (if you don't know your date well enough to trust them to watch your dog for a weekend, why allow them inside your body?)



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07 Apr 2012, 12:03 am

I don't get it either. But that's because that's something I wouldn't do. For me the purpose of dating is to become serious and eventually marry that person. But that may just be my old fashion views. For me sex is so tied up in emotions that I can't imagine having sex with someone for a one night stand. I think the problem with it is just what we've been discussing. One person considers this a one night stand and the other is thinking the relationship is going somewhere. Which is why I think that you shouldn't have sex on the first date or even the 2nd or 3rd or not at all until you know exactly where the relationship-if there is one is going.



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07 Apr 2012, 12:21 am

I just laughed so hard, because I have to pay a total stranger from a dog sitting service to watch my dog next week. I'm not sure why I find that so funny. Anyway, I do know her well.

I date because I like going out and having a nice time. I don't mean date as in date a person exclusively. I don't see why I would choose between dating and having sex, sometimes the two go well together.

I don't assume low self-esteem, I always assume that like me, this person just wants sex, usually I assume that because I ask beforehand. It's like a switch gets flipped and women suddenly change their minds. Yet, I'm a woman too and I don't find myself suddenly feeling attached to someone after sex.

Now I'm concerned about my brain chemistry because I don't feel very emotional at all afterward, just kind of nice.



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07 Apr 2012, 12:25 am

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How to make it clear...that I am not interested in anything serious.


As long as you treat your sexuality as
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it's unlikely that you will be able to make anything clear to your partners.



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07 Apr 2012, 12:43 am

Maybe I should make something in this thread clear: "bedroom nonsense" is a euphemism for sexual activity. And yes, that's what sexuality is to me, sex, in or out of a committed relationship.

How would you suggest I treat my sexuality? Should I pretend it's all about going to the grocery store or reading science fiction? Do tell.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:13 am

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I just laughed so hard, because I have to pay a total stranger from a dog sitting service to watch my dog next week. I'm not sure why I find that so funny. Anyway, I do know her well.

I date because I like going out and having a nice time. I don't mean date as in date a person exclusively. I don't see why I would choose between dating and having sex, sometimes the two go well together.

I don't assume low self-esteem, I always assume that like me, this person just wants sex, usually I assume that because I ask beforehand. It's like a switch gets flipped and women suddenly change their minds. Yet, I'm a woman too and I don't find myself suddenly feeling attached to someone after sex.

Now I'm concerned about my brain chemistry because I don't feel very emotional at all afterward, just kind of nice.


In my early 30s I realized that, for me, sex that lacked emotional intimacy was basically masterbating with another person's body. What I wanted was an emotional connection, so I stopped having casual sex. Obviously this is not your experience. It doesn't mean either of our sexual experiences are any less valid. But you expressed concern that your date was unreasonably expecting emotional closeness from you when you had clearly indicated that you only wanted to use her body. So maybe you're choosing people who either aren't able to understand that or have a problem with their self-esteem.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:29 am

That's a fair point. I just thought about it and my ex has really low self-esteem yet I almost married him.

I think sometimes I find myself with people who aren't like that at all and sometimes I go for the outgoing people who are putting on a show even though I know it's just a show. I guess I don't usually evaluate a person's needs very thoroughly before putting myself in a position where they might expect me to meet those needs.

I think I'm going to wait a few days and if she's still all lovey dovey then I'll discuss it with her again to make sure I know where she stands and she knows where I stand.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:49 am

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Do tell.

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How would you suggest I treat my sexuality?

You asked on this forum how you might make it clear, on a date, that you have no interest in a serious relationship. Sex is serious intimacy; it communicates intimate intent to a partner; like it or not. Clearly the disconnect between your warning, your actions and your partner's response is a bit perplexing to you. Calling sex "bedroom nonsense" is revealing. To you it's lighthearted. But to many others sex is seriously openhearted. There's the disconnect and there isn't enough clarity in any words to bridge that gap.

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Should I pretend it's all about going to the grocery store or reading science fiction?

No.



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07 Apr 2012, 2:08 am

So the problem is that she doesn't seem to be aware of what sex communicates to her? To me the only intent sex communicates is the intent to have an orgasm. It's a biological impulse. The only meaning it holds is the meaning an individual applies to it. I suppose I am making it clear that it's just fun for me. I wanted to know how to make it clear that the sex the date lead to is not an indication that I'm suddenly interested in a relationship but that's not even the problem, you've helped me realize



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07 Apr 2012, 2:53 am

cozysweater wrote:
Women have a much stronger oxytocin response than men. In men the window of oxytocin influence lasts like 2 days. For women it typically lasts 2 weeks. So women may, even unintentionally, have a more emotional and long lasting response to sex than maybe they intended. Although, I would also say that if someone sleeps with you within roughly 4 hours, they probably don't have the best self-esteem and maybe that should have been a warning to both you and them. (if you don't know your date well enough to trust them to watch your dog for a weekend, why allow them inside your body?)

wouldn't it also imply that the OP has low self-esteem, then?


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07 Apr 2012, 2:57 am

meems wrote:
So the problem is that she doesn't seem to be aware of what sex communicates to her? To me the only intent sex communicates is the intent to have an orgasm. It's a biological impulse. The only meaning it holds is the meaning an individual applies to it. I suppose I am making it clear that it's just fun for me. I wanted to know how to make it clear that the sex the date lead to is not an indication that I'm suddenly interested in a relationship but that's not even the problem, you've helped me realize

you did say that usually you communicate your intentions ahead of time. that is a very good idea because then there isn't any misunderstanding.

EDIT: sex means different things to different people. to come people it's no big deal, but to others it's like a giftwrapped offering that they only give to people they really care about. there is no way to know how a person feels based on whether they ultimately have sex with you.

the concept of a date could be misleading to a degree if you are just looking for friends who are sex partners. a date kind of implies that there is a possibility of a relationship (it is the usual goal eventually).


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07 Apr 2012, 3:30 am

diniesaur wrote:
Why would you date someone if you're not interested in anything serious? That doesn't make any sense to me. If you just want to have sex, can't you do it without dating?

This is the problem with labeling. "Dating" has many meanings by which individuals define subjectively. We all have unique needs, goals, desired intimacy, and preferences within our relationships.