The double standard & feminism on Love & Dating

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Wolfheart
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19 Aug 2012, 3:50 am

It's important to discuss this point. When a guy posts a photo of his body and some like it, some women judge those women as being shallow yet when a girl posts a photo of her body, she has fifty white knights and these same females are willing to praise this girl for being confident in her body? Don't you think that's a double standard?

If someone doesn't fit in their boxes of rigid stereotypical thinking of how people on the spectrum or people off the spectrum should be or what is politically correct, they question their motives and judge them?



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19 Aug 2012, 4:04 am

I'm not aware of this going on other than you saying it is - not that I doubt it, but to be clear, my opinions aren't based on having seen what you're talking about actually taking place.

As far as what you've said, I do see how that is a double standard and it is certainly unfair, but I've no idea what that hypocrisy has to do with feminism.

Can you be more specific to offer some clarity on the connection with feminism?



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19 Aug 2012, 4:15 am

something a woman does =/= something feminist
woman =/= feminist
feminist=/=women

also, examples? with context maybe?
I know it's tough to do because we're not supposed to discuss old topics in other topics but hey, you wanted to talk about it

in any case there is a heck of a lot of interpretation going into this, and you as a dude who likes to post topless shots of himself here are going to be viewing through a particular lens

I could look at this hypothetical scenario and attribute the difference to men being encouraged to be visual and women being shamed for expressing sexual agency. Women being encouraged to be viewing objects and discouraged from being viewers.

if this is a real tendency, it has nothing to do with feminism


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19 Aug 2012, 4:40 am

I wouldnt say that this double standard exists.

If a person takes over a thread thats unrelated to pictures to post some pictures of themselves then said person is going to be told that they are attention seeking.
There are plenty of threads designed for displaying your picture and Id encourage everyone(regardless of their gender) to refrain from posting pictures of themselves on a thread that is not designed for this purpose unless someone else asks them to provide a picture of themselves to get an idea of what this person is talking about.

Otherwise bringing up your pictures in an scenario where they havent asked for them comes across as attention seeking imo.



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19 Aug 2012, 4:41 am

I see it as some people being more attractive and confident in their bodies than others, hence they are more likely to post photos of themselves on a public forum for others to admire/compliment. This can irritate people who are less confident as it comes across like showing off and can make people who aren't confident enough or wouldn't want to post this kind of photo feel irritated or down as they don't feel able to compete or they see it as objectification of people. Rather than having the inevitable argument ensure I'd say it's better for the less confident and anti-objectification type people to leave the confident 'pretty' ones to their thread and look at other less triggering threads, otherwise it will just be an exercise in frustration and back-biting with the inevitable accusations of Feminist!

Some people like how they look and like others looking at them, some don't, for varying reasons - it's easier to leave them get on with it than castigate them as shallow etc in my opinion as you can't change people and they have a right to express themselves.

I would add though that while it's great to celebrate your youth and beauty while you've got it, if this is the main or only thing you are using to attract the attention of others and make yourself feel good about yourself you are on dodgy ground as as you get older looks fade and you will be in trouble when the attention dries up. So while looks are important to others, it's best to develop a rounded personality so you can still engage people without the need for stunning looks - it's harder work but more reliable in the long run.



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19 Aug 2012, 9:39 am

I don't like to be faced with unclothed body parts regardless of gender simply because i find it an unappetizing sight. Humans are meant to wear clothes and if they don't it just looks ridiculous, like a dog without fur or a plucked chicken. There is nothing attractive or sexy about it and my very personal prejudice about people who feel the need to present body parts is, they are shallow and lack other qualities. Good news is, i can block these images.



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19 Aug 2012, 10:04 am

Wolfheart wrote:
It's important to discuss this point. When a guy posts a photo of his body and some like it, some women judge those women as being shallow yet when a girl posts a photo of her body, she has fifty white knights and these same females are willing to praise this girl for being confident in her body? Don't you think that's a double standard?

If someone doesn't fit in their boxes of rigid stereotypical thinking of how people on the spectrum or people off the spectrum should be or what is politically correct, they question their motives and judge them?



Not sure about that.

Quotes?

but yea, you're right about the white knights part but this is the men's fault.



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19 Aug 2012, 10:09 am

PTSmorrow wrote:
I don't like to be faced with unclothed body parts regardless of gender simply because i find it an unappetizing sight. Humans are meant to wear clothes and if they don't it just looks ridiculous, like a dog without fur or a plucked chicken. There is nothing attractive or sexy about it and my very personal prejudice about people who feel the need to present body parts is, they are shallow and lack other qualities. Good news is, i can block these images.


Isn't this the guy in your avatar?

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19 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

I hadn't even considered it... are the white knights part of the feminist agenda?



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19 Aug 2012, 10:20 am

Venger wrote:
PTSmorrow wrote:
I don't like to be faced with unclothed body parts regardless of gender simply because i find it an unappetizing sight. Humans are meant to wear clothes and if they don't it just looks ridiculous, like a dog without fur or a plucked chicken. There is nothing attractive or sexy about it and my very personal prejudice about people who feel the need to present body parts is, they are shallow and lack other qualities. Good news is, i can block these images.


Isn't this the guy in your avatar?

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Holy cow, if that's true i have to change it as quickly as possible! Thanks for the hint. Just going to look for a monk ... or something completely neutral.



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19 Aug 2012, 10:45 am

I am not certain what double standard you are talking about. There is one double standard that I might be thinking of that comes close to what I interpreted from the OP's post.
I remember being on POF for a while before finally giving up. Women had this standard that it was not OK for the man to post photos of himself that were taken in front of a mirror and with their shirts off. Of course, women felt it was OK that they take photos of themselves in front of a mirror, however, you would not likely see as many of them with shirts off and them in just a bra (fear of getting harassed with messages maybe?) If there was a double standard, this was it.



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19 Aug 2012, 12:47 pm

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19 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm

This is just one of many double standards out there. You just have to accept it for what it is because it's biology mixed in with societal beliefs.

Guy who has a lot of sex = real man
Girl who has a lot of sex = slut/whore

Guy who cheats = scumbag
Girl who cheats = she's just pursuing her options

Guy who lies = scumbag
Girl who lies = You're SOL if you couldn't read the subtle cues



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19 Aug 2012, 2:29 pm

Woman who cheats = more likely to be stabbed to death by her husband



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19 Aug 2012, 2:43 pm

nessa238 wrote:
Woman who cheats = more likely to be stabbed to death by her husband

Been to Brussels recently or what?



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19 Aug 2012, 2:48 pm

Uprising wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
Woman who cheats = more likely to be stabbed to death by her husband

Been to Brussels recently or what?


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