Age differences.
Alright so, basically this seems to be something I'm coming to realize now that I've started a new OKCupid Profile and trying to get back out in the world after my recent loss.
I've basically come to realize that I have virtually nothing in common with women my own age.. Women who are in their late 20's or early 30's seem to want a guy who is "established" and "stable".. they dress differently and while we might share some interests.. they seem to talk overwhelmingly about work and how being employed and having already finished school are mandatory... they tend to have their ages set for 28-35 range.. I certainly have nothing against this age group and would actually prefer it, I just don't meet most of their criteria as to whats "Acceptable".
Meanwhile the ones I seem to have the most in common with.. in the 20-24 year range.. who are less judgmental about things like me being in college or not having a job and who have similar interests and concerns as I do.. have their ages set at like 19-26... so I feel like if I message them, even if we have high 90% match & Friendship percentages i'm going to come across as being creepy because I'm 'Too Old".. even though if they met me in person they likely would never guess how much older than them I am.
I'm chronologically 28, but maturity wise and looks wise I'm much closer to my early 20's than I am to my late 20's. On somethings I run as much as 10 years behind the curve in hitting certain benchmarks.. this doesn't really cause me too many problems in person apart from the fact that EVERY guy regardless of their ages seems to be going after this same demographic group.. so theres LOADS of competition. and in my experience this demographic tends to eschew committed relationships in preference for short term flings and "Hooking up"... which is just not something I'm interested in.. I'm also fairly disconnected from a lot of stuff they are into.. like twitter and reddit and tumbler and smart phones and stuff.. I just don't understand any of it.. but this is just as much a shared trait with the older cohort as well.
Honestly I'd rather be with some one closer to my own age.. 26-30 simply because it would give us more cultural benchmarks in common.. and would mean she was more likely to actually want to be in a stable, committed relationship...
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I know exactly what you are talking about. I'm 57 years old and I don't relate to people in my own age group very well at all. Generally speaking, I relate to people from about 19 to 27 best. My sort of autism makes me very right side dominant. So, I've kept the young adult sort of perspective and learning ability, while most of my peers have become disinterested and stale. The good news is, I look way younger than I am and since health and aging are heavily affected by mental attitude, I'm in great shape. Regretfully, there is a downside. When you get into my age group and you relate well to younger women, that is seen as something very wrong and you are generally branded a "creeper." There are a few women in my age group who are what I would call "well preserved." But, not many. If you are like me, you will probably spend your life psychologically and intellectually as a young adult. That is very common to high functioning autistics. When I was 50, I worked in a college town and dated several women were in their mid-20s. That was really fun and for them it was very interesting to go out with a guy they could relate to who had a career and was successful. But, those relationships didn't last. So, I don't have a solution for you, but I can offer the perspective of my life experience.
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So be open to meeting/dating some of them and find out what happens.
You might meet someone younger that you really click with that also clicks with you.
Or you might meet someone your own age this works out with.
It seems that about 26 is the age at your upper end of the younger people you spoke of, and the lower end of those in your peer group.. so, why not try to find someone around 26 with mutual interests in what you're looking to get out of dating one another? It's a starting point, at least.
You won't really know if it'll work out with any of them as individuals or members of certain age groups/cultures until you try several times over and find out how it goes.
As for trends, whether fashion or technology or whatever.. either learn some of those things (when in Rome..) OR find someone that doesn't care for them or simply accepts that there are others out there that don't care for them and know nothing about them and don't care to.
I'm not the biggest geek in the world, but I use the internet and my phone frequently.. meanwhile one of my closest friends doesn't own a cell phone and couldn't possibly care less about spending non-necessary time on the internet and goes through periods where he won't reply to any emails for weeks at a time. That hasn't really affected us being good friends at all, so I wouldn't count things like technological trend knowledge necessarily counting for very much in terms of a friendship/relationship.. if it did, I doubt it would be that strong of a relationship or friendship to begin with. Minor details you're making a mountain out of a molehill of.
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I'd message them anyway. It's not like you're in your late 30's or older and gave complete disregard to their age preference. The age difference between 24 and 28 is rather minor and you might make a good impression. I wouldn't discuss age in your opener or to begin with. If they get funny with you about it they are obviously slightly less mature than you are ("OMGz a year iz uh liek 366 dayzzz!! !! yur 1000+ dayz olduh dan meeee!!") and I doubt they would suit you in the long run.
Criteria people set for dating can be a little extreme at times so don't feel bad or "unworthy" of messaging someone if you don't tick all the boxes. Plenty of people would be happy with just some or all the boxes ticked but being the Internet and all everyone likes to indulge, dream and try their luck the profile criteria usually describes their perfect mate, and let's be honest nobody's perfect.
I have somewhat the opposite problem. I'm 22 and I feel like I have much better luck/can relate better with women who are late 20s or early 30s. I feel I can talk to them fairly normally (even if they're single and hot) whereas girls my own age I feel like I'm talking to space aliens.
I've basically come to realize that I have virtually nothing in common with women my own age.. Women who are in their late 20's or early 30's seem to want a guy who is "established" and "stable".. they dress differently and while we might share some interests.. they seem to talk overwhelmingly about work and how being employed and having already finished school are mandatory... they tend to have their ages set for 28-35 range.. I certainly have nothing against this age group and would actually prefer it, I just don't meet most of their criteria as to whats "Acceptable".
Meanwhile the ones I seem to have the most in common with.. in the 20-24 year range.. who are less judgmental about things like me being in college or not having a job and who have similar interests and concerns as I do.. have their ages set at like 19-26... so I feel like if I message them, even if we have high 90% match & Friendship percentages i'm going to come across as being creepy because I'm 'Too Old".. even though if they met me in person they likely would never guess how much older than them I am.
I'm chronologically 28, but maturity wise and looks wise I'm much closer to my early 20's than I am to my late 20's. On somethings I run as much as 10 years behind the curve in hitting certain benchmarks.. this doesn't really cause me too many problems in person apart from the fact that EVERY guy regardless of their ages seems to be going after this same demographic group.. so theres LOADS of competition. and in my experience this demographic tends to eschew committed relationships in preference for short term flings and "Hooking up"... which is just not something I'm interested in.. I'm also fairly disconnected from a lot of stuff they are into.. like twitter and reddit and tumbler and smart phones and stuff.. I just don't understand any of it.. but this is just as much a shared trait with the older cohort as well.
Honestly I'd rather be with some one closer to my own age.. 26-30 simply because it would give us more cultural benchmarks in common.. and would mean she was more likely to actually want to be in a stable, committed relationship...
I experience the same, and I also realised I have no real women friends, they are friendly but they are not friends either. I can't relate to them at all. They don't call me, hey lets go do this together because that is what we both like, neither have I anything to call them about to do anything together either. With okcupid I seem to attract ESFJ (I know this from their tests page) but because they need so much energy, I basically burn out and their interest in me stops. Then there is the trust issues, they don't trust me. Haha apparently common for INTJ.
http://www.9types.com/writeup/enneagram_marriages.html
So if I am INTJ/Type 4 then my opposite would be ESFJ/Type 8, except ESFJ is a minefield for INTJ because of their sensitivity (usually to criticism) and I keep going back for more. I guess I am just a sucker for punishment, but eventually the mouse (me) will be dead tired of the push & pull game with the cat. I don't know anymore.
You might meet someone younger that you really click with that also clicks with you.
Or you might meet someone your own age this works out with.
It seems that about 26 is the age at your upper end of the younger people you spoke of, and the lower end of those in your peer group.. so, why not try to find someone around 26 with mutual interests in what you're looking to get out of dating one another? It's a starting point, at least.
You won't really know if it'll work out with any of them as individuals or members of certain age groups/cultures until you try several times over and find out how it goes.
As for trends, whether fashion or technology or whatever.. either learn some of those things (when in Rome..) OR find someone that doesn't care for them or simply accepts that there are others out there that don't care for them and know nothing about them and don't care to.
Yeah I mean, I'm perfectly willing to go and meet whoever else is willing regardless of their age. I just had noticed how many people do this in their profiles and unfortunately It will deter me but it won't do what they want and deter almost anyone else. I'm not persistent at all and am horribly afraid of being rude...
I'm the opposite, I actually seem to connect with women who are older than me. More like the 27-32 range. Most younger women seem to still be in the mind set of wanting to have fun partying and finding themselves while I feel like I've been past that stage for years. Actually I was never in that stage to begin with. While I have a few things going against me regarding older women such as not having a career yet, still finishing school, and still living at home, I feel that intellectually, I would connect on a much better level with a woman who is actually all grown up and is a real adult. It would be rare to get that from a 20 year old.
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Dont you guys want to find love instead of an age appropriate girl/woman?
Personally, i don't care if i meet someone who is 18 or 50. I've met 40 a year old woman who were like 15 and a 21 year old who were like 35, age does not mean maturity or compatibility. As long as she is beautiful to get the machinery going and with a sufficient IQ that does make me want to run away from her screaming...
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Personally, i don't care if i meet someone who is 18 or 50. I've met 40 a year old woman who were like 15 and a 21 year old who were like 35, age does not mean maturity or compatibility. As long as she is beautiful to get the machinery going and with a sufficient IQ that does make me want to run away from her screaming...
it matters because of long term issues.
I'm 28, meaning that statistically I might live for another 44 years. Statistically a woman in her early 20's is going to live for almost another 60 years... So do I want to marry some one who I'm going to eventually die and leave alone for nearly 2 decades?
Do I want to date a woman who is so much outside of my maturity level that It's like having a second mom?
And then when we get right down to it.. the older she is the more likely she's going to getting to a point where she is ready to start a family or something.. something which I'm not ready/interested in doing just yet. Settling down, yes by all means. I'd love the stability of being with one person, but I'm not in a position.. emotionally.. maturity wise.. or financially to start taking those "Adult steps" that a lot of women who have finished college or grad school and have full time jobs are potentially looking for. Since as you get older your risks of complications during pregnancy increase dramatically regardless of which sex you are.
Besides.. this isn't really about MY age limits as the ones that people are putting on their dating profiles.
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Yeah, but the likelyhood of finding someone you can have a long term relationship with - be honest to yourself, what are your chances...? At least consider it. I had criterias like that before and realised that "this is not working".
I'd rather be happy for a year or so than to pass up every chance of possible happiness. (I have other criterias that limits me (like i cannot tolerate women with children) so ages isn't my primary decider).
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Yeah, but the likelyhood of finding someone you can have a long term relationship with - be honest to yourself, what are your chances...? At least consider it.
I have considered it, and then I run into the same thing.. whats the point.. why bother.. and get depressed for another 2-3 months.
Yeah, but the likelyhood of finding someone you can have a long term relationship with - be honest to yourself, what are your chances...? At least consider it.
I have considered it, and then I run into the same thing.. whats the point.. why bother.. and get depressed for another 2-3 months.
Neurotypical people age normally and they get old perspectives, old attitudes, and old lifestyles. If a 27-year-old autistic man marries 27-year-old neurotypical woman, then when they are both 50, he will likely be thinking and living as a 27-year-old, while she thinks and lives like a normal 50-year-old. As I said before, I think most autistic people stabilize in the mindset and persona of a young adult. My best guess, is 27 years old is the top of the bell curve. So, keep that in mind.
I'm inclined to agree here... I still mature and gain life experience and relationship skills - but it seems to be at a rate slower than your average NT. I think I'm at the same place as your average 25yr old... but pushing 40.
On the other hand, in some ways I was almost born MORE mature than your average NT... while they were being stupid-but-social, like getting rip-roaring-drunk together, getting diseases and pregnant, etc... I was making sensible decisions and not self-harming. Ironically - most of them still seemed to come out of it pretty well. I suppose it's because the socialites succeed where the less-social fail... mostly because they stick together.
I'm inclined to agree here... I still mature and gain life experience and relationship skills - but it seems to be at a rate slower than your average NT. I think I'm at the same place as your average 25yr old... but pushing 40.
On the other hand, in some ways I was almost born MORE mature than your average NT... while they were being stupid-but-social, like getting rip-roaring-drunk together, getting diseases and pregnant, etc... I was making sensible decisions and not self-harming. Ironically - most of them still seemed to come out of it pretty well. I suppose it's because the socialites succeed where the less-social fail... mostly because they stick together.
Really, you have the other half of the story that runs from birth up until the autistic person reaches the functional maturity level of a 27-year-old adult. I think most of us reach that level in our mid to late teens. Looking back, I think I was there when I was about 15. Neurotypical people seem to throw out the anchor on conceptual learning and their curiosity goes away around the age of 27. At that point, they can still be very amused by things that are interesting, but they don't seem to benefit with any extension other capabilities. So, we live our lives with the continual ability to learn and develop ourselves, while others stall. Personally, I would not give up the positive parts of autism in order to get rid of the negatives.
I'm inclined to agree here... I still mature and gain life experience and relationship skills - but it seems to be at a rate slower than your average NT. I think I'm at the same place as your average 25yr old... but pushing 40.
On the other hand, in some ways I was almost born MORE mature than your average NT... while they were being stupid-but-social, like getting rip-roaring-drunk together, getting diseases and pregnant, etc... I was making sensible decisions and not self-harming. Ironically - most of them still seemed to come out of it pretty well. I suppose it's because the socialites succeed where the less-social fail... mostly because they stick together.
Really, you have the other half of the story that runs from birth up until the autistic person reaches the functional maturity level of a 27-year-old adult. I think most of us reach that level in our mid to late teens. Looking back, I think I was there when I was about 15. Neurotypical people seem to throw out the anchor on conceptual learning and their curiosity goes away around the age of 27. At that point, they can still be very amused by things that are interesting, but they don't seem to benefit with any extension other capabilities. So, we live our lives with the continual ability to learn and develop ourselves, while others stall. Personally, I would not give up the positive parts of autism in order to get rid of the negatives.