What is love? / How do I know if my Asperger's man loves me?

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09 Aug 2009, 4:47 pm

I've been dating the most amazing AS guy for the last few months and the relationship progressed from instantly becoming best friends and spending all day, every day with each other to about a month later officially dating. We share the same obsessions and we work together and spend most of our free time together and it's gotten to the point where I know I'm a better person for being with him and I can't imagine my life without him. I love him, but I don't know how exactly to explain to him what that means.

We had a talk last night about love and I tried to explain to him what it means when I know that I love him, but I have a hard time putting it into words. Himself, having only had one semi-serious relationship before and not having touched a girl for two years previous to meeting me, finds the concept of love somewhat foreign and mysterious and is trying to decide if he loves me, but he doesn't know enough about love to know whether he loves me or not.

I told him that I don't want him to feel pressured by the fact that I said I loved him, and that I know I won't ever come before his obsessions and I don't want him to think that I ever should-- he was concerned that if he really loves me, does that mean that he has to love me more than science, but I told him that's not how love works-- at least not to me.

These are the ways I know that he at least cares:
1) He told me up front that he cares about me.
2) He is comfortable with me-- so much, in fact, that he rarely needs that time alone to "recharge" that he did before. We try and take alone time every day to emotionally recharge and get things done separately, but now we want to spend most nights together whereas before he wanted more time to be alone.
3) He always looks out for me. He defended me once to our lab director, who was mistreating me, and it was to the detriment of his relationship with him, but he said he didn't mind because he wouldn't want to see me treated like that anyway. He also insisted that I stay with him for a week after a stalker tried to get into my apartment because he didn't want anything bad to happen to me. A week is a long time to spend with someone when you value time alone.
4) He is always himself around me and doesn't have to suppress the urge to talk about his interests or shorten his long speeches about his obsessions when he is talking with me.
5) He is physically affectionate with me and he lets me touch him without having to warn him about it.
6) He takes care of me. He isn't afraid to be around me and comfort me when I tell him I am upset. And he always reminds me to eat the right things so that I don't pass out from hypoglycemia. He even got me food when I passed out once.
7) He lost his virginity to me and I feel very flattered that he wanted to share that experience with me.

There are other things I can think of but I don't think I need to write too long of a list or nobody will read it. I know that he cares about me a lot but that's not the same thing as love and I am really afraid that he might never fall in love with me and that would break my heart because I love him more than I've loved anyone and I'm really afraid of losing him because he is uncertain and the uncertainty stresses him out, or because the idea scares him.

I think it would really help if I found some other ways to define love to him to help make this more simple to him. Can some people here tell me what they think about love?

Oh, and I don't know if this makes a difference, but I'm not really sure if I have Asperger's or not. I think I probably do, and my parents were absolutely certain of it when I was a kid. I don't know for sure but I don't think I am writing from quite an NT perspective.

I hope someone here might be able to help... thanks :oops:



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09 Aug 2009, 6:08 pm

I felt I needed to say "thank you," for a lot of reasons, but mainly for showing me how someone on the other side of this situation feels. I can tell you two are deeply in love.

But what I feel is most important is that, without a doubt, this man LOVES you. Whether he says it often or at all, you'd have to be a part of his very atomic structure to be able to have what you two do at this point. That's probably not helpful in the way you would like, I don't know honestly, but take it from someone who is very much like what your companion sounds like that you're everything to him, and it's the basic silliness of our condition that confuses our loved ones so.

From what I understood here, is that you're trying to accurately gauge what your individual love is, and what that amounts to from his eyes, correct? If you're the tangeable, the chemical concept of love in this relationship, then it is quite possible that he is the abstraction, the deep-seeded and hidden love. This is no less of a passion, it is just out of site slightly. I can't tell you, without doubt, that you're under his skin, and now a very crucial and important part of his being.



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09 Aug 2009, 6:13 pm

Love is not an integer; it is a variable. Sometimes positive, sometimes negative, but when entered into the equation makes more of the answer apparent.

Love is not absolute; it grows, it changes, it adapts. Sometimes, it dies.

Love, as a concept, is not exclusive. Monogamy is not love - he is free to love his work, his pets, his interests.

It is an additive in its true form, not a corrosive. It may be easier for him to say that he is growing to love you than to offer it in absolute terms.

Love does not replace what already exists; like a vine, it intertwines and binds with the friendship and understanding that is already there.

From what I read, he has already expressed a love for you. What exactly that entails is unclear, but it is something to consider.

There is no 'proof' for love; strangely, like religion, it requires faith and decision.


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09 Aug 2009, 7:20 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
There is no 'proof' for love; strangely, like religion, it requires faith and decision.


and like every good belief system, a 'leap of faith'


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09 Aug 2009, 7:49 pm

vessel wrote:
But what I feel is most important is that, without a doubt, this man LOVES you. Whether he says it often or at all, you'd have to be a part of his very atomic structure to be able to have what you two do at this point. That's probably not helpful in the way you would like, I don't know honestly, but take it from someone who is very much like what your companion sounds like that you're everything to him, and it's the basic silliness of our condition that confuses our loved ones so.


Agreed. Aspies, being the creatures we are, have very little to say in the body language (which I'm assuming is what you would normally use to make such a determination), but our true intentions show forth in our actions... For me, #3 is the big one: if he is standing up for you socially, that means he places your well being above his own... Most aspies, unless they've had significant social training, aren't even willing to stand up for themselves if they don't have to...

As for how to return it, the best thing you can do is be consistent in what you do, so that he doesn't feel overwhelmed by everything that's going on... Also try to limit the spontaneous outings (or at least give him a few days heads' up before you go to some social event)... Aspies like to have their schedules organized, and a random event being thrown in can mess up their internal schedules really harshly... Other than that, the one way you can really tell him you love him is to, well, tell him... saying directly (using english, not body language) that you love him (preferably every day at least) will leave no doubt in his mind that you do in fact love him... You can go for a nice card for a special occasion such as a birthday if you want, but don't get too overblown either or he might feel overwhelmed...



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09 Aug 2009, 9:01 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
There is no 'proof' for love; strangely, like religion, it requires faith and decision.

and like every good belief system, a 'leap of faith'


...and what's a belief system without allegiance.



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09 Aug 2009, 9:10 pm

Hey there;

Writing as AS husband of NT wife whose relationship has deep similarities to what you describe, yeah, if he's like me, he loves you. Deeply.

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I think it would really help if I found some other ways to define love to him to help make this more simple to him.

My experience as the AS guy would lead me to say, you can't.
Kathy will say to me sometimes, "Do you know I love you?", and she says it with a tone of voice and a manner I can't describe but comes across as sweet and caring, and I just can't get words around that with which to respond. I do know, but it is a somehow overwhelming and even scary thing.
But I'd die if she ever stopped saying that.

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4) He is always himself around me and doesn't have to suppress the urge to talk about his interests or shorten his long speeches about his obsessions when he is talking with me.
5) He is physically affectionate with me and he lets me touch him without having to warn him about it.
6) He takes care of me. He isn't afraid to be around me and comfort me when I tell him I am upset. And he always reminds me to eat the right things so that I don't pass out from hypoglycemia. He even got me food when I passed out once.
7) He lost his virginity to me and I feel very flattered that he wanted to share that experience with me.

Do wife and I have multiple personalities and you're the other ones? 8O
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09 Aug 2009, 9:18 pm

Hey.....just got a note from my husband saying I should read this one and consider replying to it......you sound like you are on the right track to me. Our circumstances where so like yours that it is scary almost :) I had been married before but he hadn't and was having a lot of trouble expressing himself to others but I knew I was in love with him......not sure how but just did 8O We'd known each other for several years as we lived across from each other in some government subsidies apartments. He didn't like us at first but as his favorite line goes "be careful who you don't like, you might wind up married to them!!"

Because of his bipolar as well as his AS he currently has to live in his own place but we have agreed that we love each other and want to stay married to each other. We both know that it is something we will both have to work hard at and at this point we both want it to work out.

Not sure how you have been showing him or telling him you love him but with us I just keep trying things as they are shown to me. For instance we both love trains and one day I was in a store that had an awesome train shaped cookie cutter.....I bought it putting back something I had picked up for myself ......but it was worth it!!

Just keep trying, believe me it can work!!



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10 Aug 2009, 1:53 am

At some point, all relationships loose the "feeling", the primal release of hormones that causes the sensations we call infatuation or lust. While "infatuated" or "in lust", a person can be poor a decision maker as if intoxicated or on drugs.

What proves love over time is actions. It sounds to me like he very much loves you. I don't know that he will ever be able to calculate the emotion. But most NT/Domestic Humans have no clue how to seperate such thing iether.



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10 Aug 2009, 9:12 am

Something else I thought of this morning was a saying that was told to me from a pastor friend....."True Love is seeking God's best for the subject loved." If not into religion I suppose it could be said this was ..... Seeking what's best for the subject loved.

I find that if I always consider is this the best I can do for my husband at this time then I am showing him as much love and respect that i can. :wink:



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10 Aug 2009, 9:59 am

ossa wrote:
These are the ways I know that he at least cares:
1) He told me up front that he cares about me.
2) He is comfortable with me-- so much, in fact, that he rarely needs that time alone to "recharge" that he did before. We try and take alone time every day to emotionally recharge and get things done separately, but now we want to spend most nights together whereas before he wanted more time to be alone.
3) He always looks out for me. He defended me once to our lab director, who was mistreating me, and it was to the detriment of his relationship with him, but he said he didn't mind because he wouldn't want to see me treated like that anyway. He also insisted that I stay with him for a week after a stalker tried to get into my apartment because he didn't want anything bad to happen to me. A week is a long time to spend with someone when you value time alone.
4) He is always himself around me and doesn't have to suppress the urge to talk about his interests or shorten his long speeches about his obsessions when he is talking with me.
5) He is physically affectionate with me and he lets me touch him without having to warn him about it.
6) He takes care of me. He isn't afraid to be around me and comfort me when I tell him I am upset. And he always reminds me to eat the right things so that I don't pass out from hypoglycemia. He even got me food when I passed out once.
7) He lost his virginity to me and I feel very flattered that he wanted to share that experience with me.


Love is...

:star: Being completely comfortable with someone (your second point)
:star: Being yourself utterly and completely without feeling embarrassed (your fourth point), although this can be encompassed in the first point I made
:star: Thinking about the the person you care about above that of yourself (your third and sixth point)
:star: Being completely open and honest and allowing you to be with them in a way that no-one else can be with them (your first, fifth and seventh point)
:star: Feeling a deep bond/connection with a person that you don't have with anyone else (again, your first, fifth and seventh point)

He loves you.


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10 Aug 2009, 10:54 am

Fiz wrote:

Love is...

:star: Being completely comfortable with someone (your second point)
:star: Being yourself utterly and completely without feeling embarrassed (your fourth point), although this can be encompassed in the first point I made
:star: Thinking about the the person you care about above that of yourself (your third and sixth point)
:star: Being completely open and honest and allowing you to be with them in a way that no-one else can be with them (your first, fifth and seventh point)
:star: Feeling a deep bond/connection with a person that you don't have with anyone else (again, your first, fifth and seventh point)



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10 Aug 2009, 12:26 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
There is no 'proof' for love; strangely, like religion, it requires faith and decision.


and like every good belief system, a 'leap of faith'


and like every belief system, it's a fallacy.



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10 Aug 2009, 12:43 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
There is no 'proof' for love; strangely, like religion, it requires faith and decision.


and like every good belief system, a 'leap of faith'


and like every belief system, it's a fallacy.


*laugh* What would the day be without your overwhelming cynicism, LPP? As the sciences require a belief in one's senses and perceptions, does that then invalidate them as well? *chuckle* Always good humor to be found...


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