What does 'I like a challenge' mean in relation to dating?

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03 Jul 2013, 1:26 pm

As title. 'Tis very confusing.



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03 Jul 2013, 2:10 pm

Tequila wrote:
As title. 'Tis very confusing.


Tequila, "I like a challenge" in dating, at least as I've heard it used, refers to a man who is trying to woo a woman who either does not want him, or is playing hard to get. The cliche I hear frequently used by these women to describe this kind of man is, "I give him an "A" for effort".



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03 Jul 2013, 3:13 pm

I honestly don't know ._.


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03 Jul 2013, 3:21 pm

It's a hard concept to explain, but to me it basically means that is is someone I will never fully grow used to, but who will surprise me and keep me on my toes, making me push myself towards being a better person (big difference between that and her doing the pushing directly) Don't know much more than that to say, it's more of a feeling, a "I know it when I see it" thing


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03 Jul 2013, 3:55 pm

A challenge? Maybe the notion of "wanting what you can't have" being involved and not being realistic about your expectations.



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03 Jul 2013, 4:35 pm

This is the woman saying that she "likes a challenge".

I am already deeply in love with her, and it feels like she is asking me to be something I am not.

Her personality is extremely similar to mine, and I'd be heartbroken if I lost her.



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03 Jul 2013, 4:38 pm

Tequila wrote:
This is the woman saying that she "likes a challenge".

I am already deeply in love with her, and it feels like she is asking me to be something I am not.


Tequila, in her mind maybe she thinks you're playing hard-to-get, though normally it's the other way around. If you're already "deeply in love with her", you need to find some way to show it to her.

It could also be the old addage I've found to be true: A woman finds a man hoping he changes; a man finds a woman hoping she doesn't. She may be trying to change you, as you suspect. But that seems pretty common in relationships.



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03 Jul 2013, 4:43 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
Tequila wrote:
This is the woman saying that she "likes a challenge".

I am already deeply in love with her, and it feels like she is asking me to be something I am not.


Tequila, in her mind maybe she thinks you're playing hard-to-get, though normally it's the other way around. If you're already "deeply in love with her", you need to find some way to show it to her.


I've already shown it to her. Spilled my guts out and everything.

She still flirts with me pretty strongly, but she is difficult to read in many respects. Sometimes she acts stern, other times she licks her lips and winks at me. She likes it when I brush her arm.

Most of her former boyfriends have been like me, but I gather that she is attracted to someone less reserved than I and more aggressive (whether that is due to traumatic experiences, I don't know).



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03 Jul 2013, 4:48 pm

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Tequila wrote:
This is the woman saying that she "likes a challenge".

I am already deeply in love with her, and it feels like she is asking me to be something I am not.


Tequila, in her mind maybe she thinks you're playing hard-to-get, though normally it's the other way around. If you're already "deeply in love with her", you need to find some way to show it to her.


I've already shown it to her. Spilled my guts out and everything.

She still flirts with me pretty strongly, but she is difficult to read in many respects. Sometimes she acts stern, other times she licks her lips and winks at me. She likes it when I brush her arm.

Most of her former boyfriends have been like me, but I gather that she is attracted to someone less reserved than I and more aggressive (whether that is due to traumatic experiences, I don't know).


Tequila, this is where I get on unsteady ground myself: I think if I were in your shoes, when you two talk I would listen with the intent of trying to find out what it is that she wants. Since women are oftentimes coy about such matters, you may have to make mental notes of what she says. I've found if I can manage to do that, I usually find some clues I can decipher when I'm alone.

The other alternative, and one more fraught with risk, is to ask her what she means when she says you are a "challenge". The problem is she make take offense, or, more likely, she won't give you a straight answer.

Good luck.



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03 Jul 2013, 4:50 pm

I did ask her recently, and she said that she likes it when men don't agree with her about everything. I disagree with her on lots of things, sometimes pretty strongly.

I still don't get it.

I will push it next time I see her. I'm pretty angry, to be honest. (There have been other things happening in her life that I've gleaned, that I don't want to talk about here.)



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03 Jul 2013, 4:59 pm

It means they want someone better than them who doesn't need them. That's probably what it means



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03 Jul 2013, 5:22 pm

going on the feeling of "being asked to be something you're not." Will it be worth it? For you to figure out.



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03 Jul 2013, 5:24 pm

aspiemike wrote:
going on the feeling of "being asked to be something you're not." Will it be worth it? For you to figure out.


Correct.

I'm a lot, lot like her previous boyfriends.

I love her deeply, but she seems to like the people she doesn't know, the abusive types. I've seen her walk with abusive types to be raped.



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03 Jul 2013, 6:51 pm

Now I see a bit more what you mean, and perhaps what she means. I've talked with several female friends and family members about this specific part of relationships, and have done some thinking of my own. If she said she likes a challenge, and she also said she doesn't like men who agree with her with everything, it means among other things she likes guys she can't take for granted. In that case see what's the problem with you; as by your own admission you already spilled your guts about her, she believes at some level she already has you, and that makes her lose interest fast. That's the advantage some abusive types have: it's not because of them being abusive, but because the woman is question is never completely sure they like her; and that's when the "challenge" comes in. I remember I have a good friend who acts similarly; he loves chasing after girls but as soon as he gets a girlfriend he is already getting bored of her because he already "has" her and starts chasing after the next one, in a rather unhealthy circle. He said he'd like to find someone who would be with him, but never fully, I think he should get some things about him sorted out first but I digress.
The part about "I like it when they don't always agree with me" is another big one that further shows my point; I don't know about you but some guys feel they must agree to everything their woman says, which many of them find off-putting (and well, I'd agree; lack of authenticity is not attractive). When someone disagrees it means that someone has their own opinions, that they are another person. Do you always agree with her?
I remember being once in a similar situation and I considered being antagonistic sometimes just for the sake of it, to stop feeling as I was being taken for granted, but in the end it seemed tacky and artificial to me and I ended the relationship.


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03 Jul 2013, 9:13 pm

lost561 wrote:
It means they want someone better than them who doesn't need them. That's probably what it means


That's exactly what it means



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04 Jul 2013, 12:49 am

Shatbat wrote:
Now I see a bit more what you mean, and perhaps what she means. I've talked with several female friends and family members about this specific part of relationships, and have done some thinking of my own. If she said she likes a challenge, and she also said she doesn't like men who agree with her with everything, it means among other things she likes guys she can't take for granted. In that case see what's the problem with you; as by your own admission you already spilled your guts about her, she believes at some level she already has you, and that makes her lose interest fast. That's the advantage some abusive types have: it's not because of them being abusive, but because the woman is question is never completely sure they like her; and that's when the "challenge" comes in. I remember I have a good friend who acts similarly; he loves chasing after girls but as soon as he gets a girlfriend he is already getting bored of her because he already "has" her and starts chasing after the next one, in a rather unhealthy circle. He said he'd like to find someone who would be with him, but never fully, I think he should get some things about him sorted out first but I digress.
The part about "I like it when they don't always agree with me" is another big one that further shows my point; I don't know about you but some guys feel they must agree to everything their woman says, which many of them find off-putting (and well, I'd agree; lack of authenticity is not attractive). When someone disagrees it means that someone has their own opinions, that they are another person. Do you always agree with her?
I remember being once in a similar situation and I considered being antagonistic sometimes just for the sake of it, to stop feeling as I was being taken for granted, but in the end it seemed tacky and artificial to me and I ended the relationship.


Shatbat has made some great points here.

Apart from that, a guy I know was just complaining to me the other day that he was having no luck with women now, whereas before he used to be damn good at picking up. He doesn't understand why women aren't interested in him anymore. The difference between before and now - he was in a relationship for a long time. I knew him before, so I also know what has changed.

Essentially what's happened is this: he takes everything for granted. Even worse - he never makes an effort.
He doesn't show a girl that he likes her (unless he is drinking or drunk), he doesn't have fun with her, he doesn't play with her, he doesn't surprise her. (And I don't necessarily mean by throwing surprise parties or giving her present as surprises, but surprises her by his actions and who he is)

He is just not showing up anymore, not being present. And women are feeling that, that his thoughts, and most importantly, that his energy is elsewhere. When someone isn't paying attention, when they're not having fun with you anymore, when they're not making an effort consistently and when they take things for granted - that is usually what leads to the sort of statements that the girl in your post was making.

At the most basic point, if you aren't "showing up" and a woman can't feel that you are there energetically, present, multi-dimensional (showing more than just one side of yourself - most guys make the mistake of only showing one side of themselves), interested and making things fun, she is not going to consider you to be enough of a challenge or interesting enough to keep her interested. And this can happen at any time. Even if she fell in love with you, she can fall out of love if you stop being these things.


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