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10 Jul 2013, 6:52 am

So, I have incredibly bad luck with guys.. I have had one relationship about 6 years ago (when I was about 24) but it didn't last long and it was a pretty crappy experience all round. I really struggle to form connections with people and this was with someone who had been my friend for many years and I think we were both just so bad at relationships that we figured we should try going out with each other.

Anyway, now I would like to try getting into relationships again (it took me the better part of the last 5 years to get to this stage) but I get the impression that guys are all looking for skinny, attractive girls who wear lots of makeup and are a little dense. That's an exaggeration, of course, because there are lots of ordinary people in relationships, but it is how I feel and I'm not like that. I'm pretty overweight, I don't wear makeup and I'm a complete gamer/nerd - and I work from home so I don't have much social contact anyway. On top of that, I'm emigrating to Germany in a few months, so it's not something I want to work on here (South Africa). Anyway, here I am a total outsider - I don't speak any of the languages and don't share the same background as the people here, and the focus on race here is insane - I dated an Indian (i.e. from India originally) and that was really breaking the norm here. I guess it is a bit better now than 10 years ago though.

I'm not really sure how to phrase this as a question but are there any guys or girls out there who can give some advice? I feel pretty discouraged at the moment.



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10 Jul 2013, 7:20 am

Too bad you're emigrating to Germany.

I wanted to introduce you the wp member Jono from South Africa: http://www.wrongplanet.net/forums-profi ... 20500.html

He's smart, cultured, well articulate and I've never seen him cursing or being inappropriate even in the most heated debates, and he seems to be into the intellectual/nerd type.



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10 Jul 2013, 7:27 am

Jono lives in Jo'burg too, doesn't he?

Whereabouts in Germany are you moving to?

And why are you fleeing South Africa, if I may ask? :)



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10 Jul 2013, 7:31 am

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Jono lives in Jo'burg too, doesn't he?



Yeah, I guess the two should contact and give it a chance at least.



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10 Jul 2013, 7:48 am

@The face of Boo - we have already virtually met BUT as I said race is a huge issue in South Africa and although I didn't ask him directly, I don't think people in his racial group tend to go out with people in mine. If I read the situation correctly he is Afrikaans, and I am black, and not to stereotype or anything but they tend go for people in their own racial group. Plus I'm English-speaking, that just adds to the antagonism. Jono, if you read this, no offence intended, but I'm SURE as a fellow South African, you know exactly what I mean!!

@Tequila - Moving to Münster, and I'm moving because I want to go and study there (new degree in Maths and Physics), but to cut a long story short, as a non-EU student, I can't work freelance and study so I have to work there for a few years first. Studying is possible here but ridiculously expensive, and the cost of living isn't that different. Plus I work as a Japanese and German to English medical translator so I'll have better opportunities there than here for SURE!



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10 Jul 2013, 7:51 am

Pfft... it's a bit stupid to say "Not to stereotype or anything" because that's a massive stereotype.



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10 Jul 2013, 7:54 am

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@The face of Boo - we have already virtually met BUT as I said race is a huge issue in South Africa and although I didn't ask him directly, I don't think people in his racial group tend to go out with people in mine. If I read the situation correctly he is Afrikaans, and I am black, and not to stereotype or anything but they tend go for people in their own racial group. Plus I'm English-speaking, that just adds to the antagonism. Jono, if you read this, no offence intended, but I'm SURE as a fellow South African, you know exactly what I mean!!



To be honest? "Justified" racism is racism nevertheless. You didn't even ask Jono's opinion on that matter.

I can relate to that because I live in a country of 18 sects, that's like a Christian Catholic girl saying "I am Christian, he's Druze, they tend to go for people in their own group" - she's justifying her limited thinking by stereotyping others.

Well whatever, saraip but If you have that much issue with the race thing or with people who tend to have issues with other races then maybe Germany isn't the best destination for you.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:02 am

I don't have an issue with the "race thing" - I've just lived here long enough to have tried several options and found that they have failed. I have asked other Afrikaans guys out and the responses were pretty bone chilling. The only guy I dated was Indian, so obviously I'm not that strict about who I want to date.

On the other hand, assuming that two people will be compatible based purely on their geographical location is probably not the best way to go about answering a question that is asking advice based on physical characteristics. I didn't come here looking for a boyfriend, I asked a question because I wanted points of view, not to be set up with someone I don't know on the basis that we have the same medical condition [edit: and live in the same city]. Irrespective of how he may feel about the issue, that was not the point at all. Here I am making up excuses on behalf of someone I don't know when the reality of the situation is that I feel that you are missing the point.

As for Germany - I'm moving there because I want to study there and build my career - as I don't have much of a social life anyway, I doubt that's going to change very much when I am over there. Having said that, considering that I can communicate better with people there than I can with people here, that might play a huge role (here there are very few people who speak English as a first language, and as I said, my German is good enough that I work as a translator, so I'll be able to communicate with more people there).



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10 Jul 2013, 8:06 am

^ fair enough.

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On the other hand, assuming that two people will be compatible based purely on their geographical location is probably not the best way to go about answering a question that is asking advice based on physical characteristics.


You're from SA, he's from SA and same city.

You're into Physics, he's into Physics (his major).

You're overweight, he's overweight too.

You're probably aspie, he's probably aspie.

You're English-speaking, he does seem to be english speaking too.

So no, it wasn't just based on 'geographical location'.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:15 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ fair enough.

You're from SA, he's from SA and same city.

You're into Physics, he's into Physics (his major).

You're overweight, he's overweight too.

You're probably aspie, he's probably aspie.

You're English-speaking, he does seem to be english speaking too.

So no, it wasn't just based on 'geographical location'.


None of this changes the fact that I wanted advice, not to be set up with someone. It's great that we may have things in common, but that has nothing to do with the original question!! I guess this is the problem with posting general questions like this on a forum - people make assumptions about the kind of answer that you want and run with it. Then again, who am I to talk, I feel kind of bad about making a whole host of assumptions about someone I've only had the slightest contact with via WP.

By the way, I've actually moved and haven't updated my profile, and I'm not in Johannesburg anymore. :) Still, seems like you're more interested in forcing a connection between two people than answering the question so I guess I'll just have to take it with the spirit it was intended and move on with my day.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:26 am

As a biracial girl, I am SOO glad I´m not from South Africa I´ve talked to several South Africans and all I hear is racism racism taboo blablla all the time...



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10 Jul 2013, 8:27 am

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I don't have an issue with the "race thing" - I've just lived here long enough to have tried several options and found that they have failed. I have asked other Afrikaans guys out and the responses were pretty bone chilling. The only guy I dated was Indian, so obviously I'm not that strict about who I want to date.

On the other hand, assuming that two people will be compatible based purely on their geographical location is probably not the best way to go about answering a question that is asking advice based on physical characteristics. I didn't come here looking for a boyfriend, I asked a question because I wanted points of view, not to be set up with someone I don't know on the basis that we have the same medical condition [edit: and live in the same city]. Irrespective of how he may feel about the issue, that was not the point at all. Here I am making up excuses on behalf of someone I don't know when the reality of the situation is that I feel that you are missing the point.

As for Germany - I'm moving there because I want to study there and build my career - as I don't have much of a social life anyway, I doubt that's going to change very much when I am over there. Having said that, considering that I can communicate better with people there than I can with people here, that might play a huge role (here there are very few people who speak English as a first language, and as I said, my German is good enough that I work as a translator, so I'll be able to communicate with more people there).


You should be happy to be moving to Germany.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:30 am

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As a biracial girl, I am SOO glad I´m not from South Africa I´ve talked to several South Africans and all I hear is racism racism taboo blablla all the time...


LOL - and as you can see from my posts above, it is something that permeates your consciousness, even if you think you are the most tolerant person ever...

Considering the topic has already been derailed: over Christmas we went to a hotel for supper and there were two kids below the age of 5 who were playing with each other and complained loudly when their parents tried to separate them. One was black and the other was white and they were of the opposite sex. Someone cracked a joke about them hooking up in future and the black boy's parents said really loudly "No way! I don't want him bringing THOSE kind of problems into MY house". I suppose it is kind of sad, but when you consider the history of Apartheid here (I was born and grew up in Zimbabwe so had no exposure to it), you can totally understand where it comes from.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:33 am

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You should be happy to be moving to Germany.


Trust me, I'm so excited - I can't wait! I will get to check out all the places that I've been reading about in my history books for years, I can live on bread, sausage and cheese and not feel out of place, I'll have more access to clients (both German and Japanese) and can ask for higher rates because of my location, there will be reliable public transport, I get to learn about new cultures and traditions.... the list goes on and on and on...



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10 Jul 2013, 8:36 am

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The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
^ fair enough.

You're from SA, he's from SA and same city.

You're into Physics, he's into Physics (his major).

You're overweight, he's overweight too.

You're probably aspie, he's probably aspie.

You're English-speaking, he does seem to be english speaking too.

So no, it wasn't just based on 'geographical location'.


None of this changes the fact that I wanted advice, not to be set up with someone. It's great that we may have things in common, but that has nothing to do with the original question!! I guess this is the problem with posting general questions like this on a forum - people make assumptions about the kind of answer that you want and run with it. Then again, who am I to talk, I feel kind of bad about making a whole host of assumptions about someone I've only had the slightest contact with via WP.

By the way, I've actually moved and haven't updated my profile, and I'm not in Johannesburg anymore. :) Still, seems like you're more interested in forcing a connection between two people than answering the question so I guess I'll just have to take it with the spirit it was intended and move on with my day.


It was just an offtopic suggestion.

Now enough of this whole drama.



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10 Jul 2013, 8:38 am

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As a biracial girl
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