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So some of us need to be more desperate! and act on it!

But seriously tho, most single guys are constantly desperate and trying to gain attention.

Like for example in the gym, typically 99% of guys transform into coaches for all attractive girls while I never do that. lololol

Or every guy becomes a pro auto mechanical when there's some girl having trouble with her car (yet all they do is standing like idiots and asking stupid questions).

One time a girl kept asking about some exercises I don't know and I was like "sorry, I am not a pro instructor like all guys here" , she laughed hard as she told how true this was.

There are also those guys who flirt every single girl they see.


So maybe I need to become really needy and desperate? I've realized I have none (desperation or neediness).

And how can I be REALLY more needy and desperate?

I want volunteers to practice desperation with.

I have a tendency to do this. I fail badly at it. The country of Zimbabwe would be more competent at it than I am.



Consider yourself lucky. It doesn't get you anywhere. Speaking from experience.

^ Wanna be my volunteer Teq? Just put some fake long hair, little make up, and come back here

What if I actually like it?

And the idea of you flirting with me (even pretend flirting) puts a massive grin on my face. Completely surreal.

Yeah, two heterosexual guys flirting each other, that's the ultimate desperation practice! .

They could be seen as hero's those guys. Proud soldiers maybe.

Do you touch women? That's a way to escalate things.

The problem I have is a) approaching them; b) knowing what the hell to say without coming across as obsessive and c) closing the deal. I can't work out how to do that if my life and Western civilisation depended on it.

Gotta say Boo I do think spongy is close to the mark.
I wouldn't say you are not desperate enough though: I would say a) you are not interested enough and b) you do not pursue strongly enough
Without interest, pursuing strongly and persistence, most guys don't get very far. The guys who get the most, those are generally the 3 things that they have down pat.

You come across as nonchalant - but once a girl realises it's actually lack of interest, she is probably going to ditch you.

Well, I read your advice to saraip, you're into typical gender-roles (ie. girls must never approach guys, guys must approach persistently), but hey you might be right since most girls think like you.

btw, it's not true that a runs away when girls approach him unless he's too good/alpha for them(way out of league).

While many people appreciate equality, we also appreciate tradition.
That would also count for gender roles.

Going to have to say Kjas is probably right with what they're saying.

^^^
I only suggested it because as far as I know, she's been approaching and it wasn't getting her results. If something isn't working, then yes, you need to change your strategy.

I'm not "into it" but I have watched those who have done it and watched them fail pretty magnificently. I wish the general culture were more open and accommodating, but until it changes, all of us have to work with what we have. I assure you that fact does not trill me at all - when I was younger I was quite pissed off at it actually.

You're really in the same boat: what you're doing isn't really getting you the results you want after a decent and consistent length of time. You can keep doing it and get the same results, or change your strategy.

Ok Kjas, teach me to be a typical guy seeking to gain a woman's heart (aka lapdog man ).

You're my mistress.

Ok kjas here's a whip to train him with

I might need that.

I'd rather know exactly what your approach and game plan has been before Boo, at least that way I can compare it to experience and the guys I know who usually succeed.
Cause reading your list of negatives - it wasn't exactly that bad.

I have to say i do agree that a certain letting women be (as many claim they want men to behave) usually ends up bad for the guy.

Ive known for a while that one of my biggest issues is similar to boos, but with an added extra. I don't go after any and every girl i happen to see, i have to be interested in one (which isn't common), but then when i am interested in one i can't go any further due to anxiety/shyness/etc. And I've learned to just accept that, and accept that i won't be able to change that.

My two cents... Try to find people you are already aquainted with that you find interesting even if you are not actually into them. It is usually easier to approach someone you know a little bit, even if it's just a friend of a friend. And try something casual, like going for coffee, instead of a big date. The best pickup-line ever used on me was from a superficial aquaintance that knew I was totally into dogs. He said somethign like ' hey I'm dogsitting this weekend, want to come with me to the dogpark on saturday?'. No pressure, not something that freaked me out.
If nothing else, this approach may give you some practice that you need to approach someone you are really into, and I believe (not a confirmed scientific statment) that you may find a higher succes rate from this kind of 'casual asking out'. And we all know that success builds confidence.