Well, it's over with Aspie gf.
I've chronicled the saga via a handful of posts over the past month or so. Thanks again to those who were helpful in my gaining perspective. I knew she was really stressed with school, long periods of silence, punctuated by moments of sheer unpleasantness. She found a way to turn every thing into a negative, I was constantly made to feel like I was "annoying" ... sometimes she would snap out of it and ask me to be patient with her - and those few times actually kept me in there. But finally I just had enough, and stopped giving her the benefit of the doubt and stopped attributing her meanness to being an "Aspie".
So I told her I didn't want to continue seeing one another. Everything was via text or email. She won't speak on the phone. And she was constantly too stressed to get together - and when we did - she was stressed that she wasn't doing school stuff.
And telling her that I couldn't do it anymore caused a hysterical reaction - she just was SOOOO ANGRY - saying the most horrid things about how much she hated me - the floodgates just poured open. And it made NO SENSE to me whatsoever. Last I checked, when one has come to dislike their partner, and that partner finally throws in the towel - you are relieved to not have to do the "dirty work" of breaking up. At least such has been my experience - if I am "done" with somebody I'm involved with - and she breaks up with me - well that's just fine. But she was anything but "fine" - I think it was just her pride - I mean she screamed and SCREAMED about how stupid I was and how much she couldn't stand me. I kept asking her why she was so angry, and she never gave me an answer.
Finally she told me to never speak to her again or she would call the POLICE. Then contacted me an hour later to remind me again to never speak to her. So unneccessary, so very wasteful. It's not any big shock that she has a big priority in her life (school) that has come front and center, and something had to give. She can't expect to be increasingly grumpier and grumpier with somebody, and have that person just continue to accept taking the brunt of her anger and frustration.
Anyway, I will miss her a lot - but have accepted that the person whom I miss is not around any more anyway - I miss the memory - not the reality. She was emotionally abused when growing up - it's what she knows I guess. Anyway, the whole situation made me very sad. Saddest is she goes on not learning anything from the experience. I don't imagine she even thinks about it the next day - let alone reflect over time. It was very weird. Weirdest part was at one point, she is there denying she even has Aspergers - it was like the weirdest thing - all she has talked about for months is her experience of being an Aspie - and here she is there yelling at me that such is not the case at all. It's like everything she was saying became nonsense - and I guess my only question is - at moments like that - does she actually believe what she is saying - or is she just saying anything she can think of too hurt and contradict another person - it's like at these moments were I too tell her that 2 and 2 are 4 - she would deny and tell me I'm wrong. I guess it's the wounded pride, and lack of control in the situation. Makes no difference that she hates a person - she just doesn't want another person to decide what will or will not happen in the future. I think her anger was totally because I ended it, not because she lost anything. Other than pride.
I hate ending things or having things end with me. I think a lot of people do. I have only had one good clean break from someone I dated. Everyone else dealt with me being upset and me deciding not to speak to them again... or at least for a while without speaking.
Truth is, if the break was bad and anger was involved from one side... Nothing can be said or done to repair that damage. What I have seen in my experience.
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Your Aspie score: 130 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 88 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
See, when people (via breakup) have told me never to speak to them again, I respected their wishes and didn't contact them.
Was that the right thing to do?
Last edited by smudge on 16 Oct 2013, 9:55 am, edited 1 time in total.
Was that the right thing to do?
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
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Your Aspie score: 130 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 88 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Was that the right thing to do?
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
That's probably the best strategy! At the same time though, from their side I would've thought they'd want to hear from me even if they didn't want me...because I'd broken up with them and some part of them would still wish that I'd cared.
Btw, I've read your blog. I really like your thinking style and your ability to self-analyse. It was interesting to read.
To the OP: You're better off without her. At the same time, when you blame bad behaviour on AS it gives them space to behave even more badly. But yes...it can be very difficult to tell the difference. Also, when an aspie tells you they're being honest, or are always honest, you still have to take that with a pinch of salt. Exhausting, isn't it?
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So I told her I didn't want to continue seeing one another. Everything was via text or email. She won't speak on the phone. And she was constantly too stressed to get together - and when we did - she was stressed that she wasn't doing school stuff.
And telling her that I couldn't do it anymore caused a hysterical reaction - she just was SOOOO ANGRY - saying the most horrid things about how much she hated me - the floodgates just poured open. And it made NO SENSE to me whatsoever. Last I checked, when one has come to dislike their partner, and that partner finally throws in the towel - you are relieved to not have to do the "dirty work" of breaking up. At least such has been my experience - if I am "done" with somebody I'm involved with - and she breaks up with me - well that's just fine. But she was anything but "fine" - I think it was just her pride - I mean she screamed and SCREAMED about how stupid I was and how much she couldn't stand me. I kept asking her why she was so angry, and she never gave me an answer.
Finally she told me to never speak to her again or she would call the POLICE. Then contacted me an hour later to remind me again to never speak to her. So unneccessary, so very wasteful. It's not any big shock that she has a big priority in her life (school) that has come front and center, and something had to give. She can't expect to be increasingly grumpier and grumpier with somebody, and have that person just continue to accept taking the brunt of her anger and frustration.
Anyway, I will miss her a lot - but have accepted that the person whom I miss is not around any more anyway - I miss the memory - not the reality. She was emotionally abused when growing up - it's what she knows I guess. Anyway, the whole situation made me very sad. Saddest is she goes on not learning anything from the experience. I don't imagine she even thinks about it the next day - let alone reflect over time. It was very weird. Weirdest part was at one point, she is there denying she even has Aspergers - it was like the weirdest thing - all she has talked about for months is her experience of being an Aspie - and here she is there yelling at me that such is not the case at all. It's like everything she was saying became nonsense - and I guess my only question is - at moments like that - does she actually believe what she is saying - or is she just saying anything she can think of too hurt and contradict another person - it's like at these moments were I too tell her that 2 and 2 are 4 - she would deny and tell me I'm wrong. I guess it's the wounded pride, and lack of control in the situation. Makes no difference that she hates a person - she just doesn't want another person to decide what will or will not happen in the future. I think her anger was totally because I ended it, not because she lost anything. Other than pride.
so i guess that is the way that the "cookie" crumbles.
Was that the right thing to do?
I don't think it makes sense to never contact somebody again, unless the ending is really bad - involving violence or criminal / dangerous behavior. Otherwise I never have bought into the "never speak again" thing. My view is "yeah yeah whatever". In the heat of the breakup moment, we all say things things out of pain that don't really mean very much a few days later. What matters is what people decide to do. I've decided that this relationship is going to end, not much she could say or do to change that from happening. It's like I made a decision for both of us. I'm not sure she had come to that decision - she only knew she was increasingly critical and fault finding with me - and had built a pretty rigid negative - schema sort of thing when it came to me. Me actually calling the ending triggered an attack on her "control center" I guess - and from there it was all about her being as hurtful as can be. Decisions made on the spur of the moment, in anger, don't really mean much to me - especially regarding a person. Decisions regarding a person are pretty big deals - it's something one thinks over a lot. So when in the moment - she comes out with the "never ever speak to me again" - I'm like not really agreeing to abide. Never is an awfully long time from now. Now is now, and the future is whatever. I've never seen a reason to toss somebody away unless they have done something really bad. She did not - the situation didn't work out - like so many situations don't work out. Do I want to stay "friends" with her?: I don't need to decide now. Nor does she. Right now we are certainly not friendly with one another, lol. All we are deciding is not to see each other any more. I need to move on emotionally - I think she already has - which is why the "don't ever contact again" is meaningless. I have no idea if I will contact her at some point later - and if I do she has no idea what her state of mind will be at the time regarding the situation. Given she is Aspie, maybe it's the case that she will forever lock herself into "can not speak to him". If so, then so be it. When I feel, 'unhooked', and no longer really care about the outcome, I may get in touch with her and see how she is doing. At that time, she can decide to talk to me, or not. Situations change, circumstances change. What doesn't really change is people - she will always be who she is, as will I - and there is not way it's a good idea for her and I to be romantically connected. We blow up - it's part of the way we mutually connect - toxic - I can't imagine that changing.
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
+1
Don't take things too literal. NTs get emotional and say things they don't necessarily mean.
Aspies on the other hand probably mean everything they say.
I guess something to think over at some point, and I know I have done this in my life and the people I have been around is ask myself:
"Is it really worth it to talk to him/her if our connection was toxic to me/them/both of us?"
and thank you Smudge for the comments.
Edit.. and thank you lost.
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Your Aspie score: 130 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 88 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Last edited by aspiemike on 16 Oct 2013, 1:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Was that the right thing to do?
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
If they do contact you after they have told you to not contact them again, I would assume it's okay to contact them again.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
+1
Don't take things too literal. NTs get emotional and say things they don't necessarily mean.
Aspies on the other hand probably mean everything they say.
You are right. It's a very hard habit to break though, especially when "literal" is the way your own mind thinks.
I've met enough aspies to know though that they don't mean what they say, *a lot*.
I agree.
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I've left WP.
People get emotional and say things they don't mean at times from what I understand about it. I don't take the chance to find out if they meant what they said or if they were actually hoping to hear from me again.
+1
Don't take things too literal. NTs get emotional and say things they don't necessarily mean.
Aspies on the other hand probably mean everything they say.
You are right. It's a very hard habit to break though, especially when "literal" is the way your own mind thinks.
I've met enough aspies to know though that they don't mean what they say, *a lot*.
I agree.
So this raises an interesting question - when somebody tells you "Don't ever contact me again" - is it okay to contact them again in the future? It really comes down to what are the circumstances. So of course anybody with free will can decide to never speak to another person again. And there are tons of people walking around who decided not to speak to another person again, and long ago forgot the reason why. And it's very sad indeed.
To decide to never speak to somebody again, is really the equivalent of giving that person the MAXIMUM penalty for whatever crime they committed. And what exactly is the benefit to walking around handing out "life sentences" to a criminal for committing a petty crime? Because there seems to be no sense of "scale" in the minds of some people - Aspie or NT - a minor insult carries the same weight as somebody who does something terrible to them, like abuse or serious theft or something. And I can see that in the moment, the minor offense may FEEL just as significant an offense as if the person killed a beloved pet, and thus they are sentenced to life exile with the statement "Don't ever contact me again". But it really is a silly thing to say, very childish actually. It's what somebody says when they wish to demonstrate how very angry they are. And the next day they are "stuck" with their life sentence that they doled out, and now backing down feels like too big of a concession, because of the sheer gravity of the punishment. To give a pardon the next day just feels embarrasing. Better to behave as if they "meant" it. I've seen this happen too many times.
You can contact somebody who told you "don't ever contact me again", ESPECIALLY if they tossed that statement out in the heat of an argument. Wait a month, and say "Hi". They will let you know right away if they still feel that the exile is in effect.
There is a reason "Wrath" and "Pride" are listed as two of the seven deadly sins.
Well if the person didn't mean it, they should actually contact the person back whom they just told to not ever contact them again and let them know they didn't mean it.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
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