Male aspie: selfish, conveniencing & smooth talker?

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05 Nov 2013, 8:53 pm

Like most aspie males his only intrested in you for sex it :o me he hasn't said this to you.


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05 Nov 2013, 8:56 pm

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The smooth talking "aspies" are sometimes misdiagnosed sociopaths. I know one.


why can't they have both unlikely i know , perhaps time to find a new doc?


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05 Nov 2013, 9:51 pm

I don't buy at all the idea that sociopathy overlaps with the AS. The manifestations may appear similar on the surface, but the underlying causes of the behavior don't have much in common. Aspies may not notice that our single-minded focus on our special interest has hurt someone else, but if brought to our attention, we genuinely feel distressed. I don't believe that an Aspie would normally say, "Sorry, I won't do it again" in that situation. I mean, how much do we have to know ourselves to see that as an obvious lie? A sociopath would say just that, and would also do it again and again and again. Aspies appear to lack empathy, sociopaths actually lack empathy.

I don't doubt that many people have inaccurate diagnoses, but what a great cover for an actual sociopath to pretend to have autism. Even better if they believe it!

If someone goes out of his way to manipulate you, that suggests some kind of anti-social personality disorder.



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06 Nov 2013, 10:32 am

I can be a smooth talker if the girl is receptive to it.........



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06 Nov 2013, 10:36 am

I have no idea


we aspies can be pretty selfish tho



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06 Nov 2013, 12:55 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
The smooth talking "aspies" are sometimes misdiagnosed sociopaths. I know one.


Yeah, I encountered one of these not too long ago and something just didn't seem right about his Asperger's self-diagnosis to me. With the impulsiveness, risky sexual behavior, disregard for interpersonal boundaries, past difficulties with the law that were supposedly always someone else's fault, etc., I'd wondered if Antisocial Personality Disorder might have been a more accurate diagnosis. It seemed like he could actually understand and 'read' people quite well; he just couldn't connect with them on an emotional level or feel much empathy.



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06 Nov 2013, 6:04 pm

Us Aspies can have problems with certain forms of contact like text messaging or talking on the phone; we can have alot of anxiety about it & get overwhelmed very fast. We are also more introverted & can get caught up in our special interests or overwhelmed by life stuff & need time to deal & cope. We may love our partners & spending time with them but still have problems maintaining communication when we're apart


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07 Nov 2013, 3:02 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
I don't buy at all the idea that sociopathy overlaps with the AS. The manifestations may appear similar on the surface, but the underlying causes of the behavior don't have much in common. Aspies may not notice that our single-minded focus on our special interest has hurt someone else, but if brought to our attention, we genuinely feel distressed. I don't believe that an Aspie would normally say, "Sorry, I won't do it again" in that situation. I mean, how much do we have to know ourselves to see that as an obvious lie? A sociopath would say just that, and would also do it again and again and again. Aspies appear to lack empathy, sociopaths actually lack empathy.

I don't doubt that many people have inaccurate diagnoses, but what a great cover for an actual sociopath to pretend to have autism. Even better if they believe it!

If someone goes out of his way to manipulate you, that suggests some kind of anti-social personality disorder.

Why can't they have AS and lack empathy? Or have co-morbid ASPD, for that matter. I lack empathy. I may even meet the criteria for ASPD, if my behavior was documented. But I'm clearly autistic. Pretty sure I'm not just a confused psychopath. :roll:

That said, I doubt someone with AS could be too "smooth".



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07 Nov 2013, 8:08 am

Most psychological conditions can exist comorbidly with each other, but that doesn't make them part of the same phenomenon.

Also, ASPD is notoriously hard to diagnose, and ASD has become a "popular" diagnosis. Psychologists have some other incentives to diagnose a patient with ASD over ASPD simply because ASD is more treatable.



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07 Nov 2013, 9:04 pm

I have (actually had, I ended it after a very disturbing conversation) a similar situation.

I've been interested in a non-diagnosed aspie guy of 23. We have had this on-off physical thing for months, and since we are good friends I kind of expected that he wouldn't do something to hurt me, that he would tell me if he wanted to see other people and go back to just being friends, because I told him how I felt about him (that I liked him more than just fwb). We had conversation about how he is not interested in anything serious right now, but since then we kept spending lots of time together, talking all the time and combining it with sex. I told him that it would bother me if I knew that he was also seeing other people, that I preferred if he told me and end this thing of ours.

And then I found out that he was fooling around quite a lot when I wasn't around, and he was never telling me about this adventures so that he could take advantage of free sex from my side when it is "convenient" for him. I found that rather disgusting from a friend, especially considering that we talked about that. And his only response was that "it was all my idea" and that "he doesn't see anything wrong, that he can't control his urges". The way he said these things striked me as if all this emotional "crap" from my side is just not convenient for him, once more.

Pile of s**t. When I gave it some thought, turns out that it was always like that - he only calls people when it's convenient for him, we only have sex when it's convenient for him, he is only attentive when it's convenient for him. Not much of a friend either. It has nothing to do with aspergers, it's plain selfish and rude person.
Don't do this to yourself, sounds to me like he's not that into you.



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07 Nov 2013, 9:25 pm

of cause he is isn't aspergers the medical term for @ or perhaps it's just me :?


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07 Nov 2013, 9:56 pm

what do you expect after the crappy life many of us had from the nt's is it any wonder we go on to despise humanity ?


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08 Nov 2013, 9:15 pm

I want truth more than I want simplicity. How could I despise humanity?



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09 Nov 2013, 12:55 pm

How common is it for Aspies to be "smoooooth" talkers?

my ex aspie bf once said that he uses certain sentences to gain access to girls' "programs".