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03 Feb 2014, 12:59 pm

I met a guy on a dating site. I made it clear I was not looking for one night stands, and he replied, he was not looking for them, but if he got the opportunity he would not turn one down.

We were talking for about a week, when he told me he had updated his photo, although he also said he was not checking his emails on the site since he had been speaking to me.

We met, and he kept buying me drinks. I really fancied him, and thought I had made it clear I was looking for dating, so when he told me to get a taxi and go back to my house, I thought it was ok. He told me the last train back to where he lives had already gone. I knew this was not true though.

The day after, he was not responding to my messages. I phoned him, and he said he had been busy. I said could we meet again, and he said he had to check his times tomorrow, and he said he was really tired and had to go. I was obviously upset. But he also said he got lots of responses from the dating site, but did not read them.

Later on that night I watched a film, and then at midnight I got a message from the site, so I logged on to check it, and found he was online. I got really upset as he had told me earlier he could not talk because he was too tired, but he was not too tired to talk to other people. SO I sent him a messaging telling him it had upset me.

The next morning I apologized, and said I should not have put him on the spot, but I would call him at five to chat about meeting. At 4 he texted saying I had been "checking up on him" and he was not interested in continuing. (I had already explained I had got a message from the site and was going to check it, when I had stumbled across him.)

I said I was not lying, or checking up on him.

He said, either way he did not feel he could deal with it.

I said, lets be friends then. He could learn to trust me over time.

No response.

I feel I was tricked into a corner, because I was the one who was lied to, when he said he could not talk to me, and was on the dating site the same night. Then he blamed me for destroying a possible relationship for "checking up" on him. Which I had not done. How could I have won this? I either had to ignore he was lying to me about not using the site, and about going to bed so we couldn't talk, or if I did not ignore what he had done I was some kind of stalker? Was I in the wrong?

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03 Feb 2014, 1:10 pm

You only had one date, and apparently he wasn't into it. One date doesn't come with obligations.



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03 Feb 2014, 1:17 pm

Yeah. The chemistry wasn't there for him. Good riddance to him.



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03 Feb 2014, 1:37 pm

He did lie about a lot of details. It sounds to me like he was after a one-night-stand and was disappointed for not getting further. I don't see you having had the chance to win this one, and frankly, I doubt it would have been worth it in the first place.

Ignore him making it sound like it was something you did, and please try to move on. Unfortunately a lot of people can initially lie or exaggerate their views or assets in order to get closer to someone, especially online.

I can recall a few people online who had said various things about their values and aspirations in life to match mine and in real life, had turned out to present the very opposite after getting to know them slightly better. In all cases the motive was to pique curiosity until they had managed to "get laid" which luckily, never happened with any of them. Even if a person has sincere motives, a lot of people do try to create rapport by trying find (or invent) similarities to another person.


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03 Feb 2014, 1:49 pm

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He did lie about a lot of details. It sounds to me like he was after a one-night-stand and was disappointed for not getting further. I don't see you having had the chance to win this one, and frankly, I doubt it would have been worth it in the first place.

Ignore him making it sound like it was something you did, and please try to move on. Unfortunately a lot of people can initially lie or exaggerate their views or assets in order to get closer to someone, especially online.

I can recall a few people online who had said various things about their values and aspirations in life to match mine and in real life, had turned out to present the very opposite after getting to know them slightly better. In all cases the motive was to pique curiosity until they had managed to "get laid" which luckily, never happened with any of them. Even if a person has sincere motives, a lot of people do try to create rapport by trying find (or invent) similarities to another person.


Hmm...not necessarily he cut her off because of that.

First thing, stalking - or giving the impression of stalking - is always a turn off thing, the guy was probably thinking along the lines "First date and yet she's already watching me and trying to be that controlling! And wanting me to give her justifications for my online activity! Wtf?", he could be really got tired of talking on the phone and went to bed and checked the site on his phone, and remember, he has no obligations (ie. keep talking on the phone all night) toward the OP yet.

Or he really wasn't attracted to her, and seeking for any excuse to reject her.

^^ Women do all of this all the time, it's just you ladies aren't used to see it coming from men, this guy is most probably highly attractive and has a lot of options, and not desperate for sex (ie. like a lot of women on dating sites).



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03 Feb 2014, 2:09 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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He did lie about a lot of details. It sounds to me like he was after a one-night-stand and was disappointed for not getting further. I don't see you having had the chance to win this one, and frankly, I doubt it would have been worth it in the first place.

Ignore him making it sound like it was something you did, and please try to move on. Unfortunately a lot of people can initially lie or exaggerate their views or assets in order to get closer to someone, especially online.

I can recall a few people online who had said various things about their values and aspirations in life to match mine and in real life, had turned out to present the very opposite after getting to know them slightly better. In all cases the motive was to pique curiosity until they had managed to "get laid" which luckily, never happened with any of them. Even if a person has sincere motives, a lot of people do try to create rapport by trying find (or invent) similarities to another person.


Hmm...not necessarily he cut her off because of that.

First thing, stalking - or giving the impression of stalking - is always a turn off thing, the guy was probably thinking along the lines "First date and yet she's already watching me and trying to be that controlling! And wanting me to give her justifications for my online activity! Wtf?", he could be really got tired of talking on the phone and went to bed and checked the site on his phone, and remember, he has no obligations (ie. keep talking on the phone all night) toward the OP yet.

Or he really wasn't attracted to her, and seeking for any excuse to reject her.

^^ Women do all of this all the time, it's just you ladies aren't used to see it coming from men, this guy is most probably highly attractive and has a lot of options, and not desperate for sex (ie. like a lot of women on dating sites).


That doesn't excuse lying or pretending interest. His is actually a very common reaction when being exposed. I'm not saying he has obligations after one date, but I see him just making up an excuse not to continue being in touch. If he was genuinely interested, he most likely would have been willing to talk about things. Every decent person can be expected to show sincerity and respect towards another. He failed in that even before stating he did not want to keep in touch.


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03 Feb 2014, 2:12 pm

Can I just ask to those who have critisised me for confronting him about telling me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and telling me he no longer checked the dating site, when I found that both these were lies. If you had been in my situation and were arranging a second date when you had been on the phone. Can you really say you would have ignored what he said?

Who would have really ignored being lied to about the train times, then about if he was talking to other people, he added photos to his profile while we were talking, told me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and then, still arranged to meet again? He was clearly playing the field? Am I wrong?



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03 Feb 2014, 5:39 pm

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Lilya wrote:
He did lie about a lot of details. It sounds to me like he was after a one-night-stand and was disappointed for not getting further. I don't see you having had the chance to win this one, and frankly, I doubt it would have been worth it in the first place.

Ignore him making it sound like it was something you did, and please try to move on. Unfortunately a lot of people can initially lie or exaggerate their views or assets in order to get closer to someone, especially online.

I can recall a few people online who had said various things about their values and aspirations in life to match mine and in real life, had turned out to present the very opposite after getting to know them slightly better. In all cases the motive was to pique curiosity until they had managed to "get laid" which luckily, never happened with any of them. Even if a person has sincere motives, a lot of people do try to create rapport by trying find (or invent) similarities to another person.


Hmm...not necessarily he cut her off because of that.

First thing, stalking - or giving the impression of stalking - is always a turn off thing, the guy was probably thinking along the lines "First date and yet she's already watching me and trying to be that controlling! And wanting me to give her justifications for my online activity! Wtf?", he could be really got tired of talking on the phone and went to bed and checked the site on his phone, and remember, he has no obligations (ie. keep talking on the phone all night) toward the OP yet.

Or he really wasn't attracted to her, and seeking for any excuse to reject her.

^^ Women do all of this all the time, it's just you ladies aren't used to see it coming from men, this guy is most probably highly attractive and has a lot of options, and not desperate for sex (ie. like a lot of women on dating sites).


That doesn't excuse lying or pretending interest. His is actually a very common reaction when being exposed. I'm not saying he has obligations after one date, but I see him just making up an excuse not to continue being in touch. If he was genuinely interested, he most likely would have been willing to talk about things. Every decent person can be expected to show sincerity and respect towards another. He failed in that even before stating he did not want to keep in touch.


And if he was really a desperate for sex he would do anything to have her pardon and act all Nice Guy hoping for sex later, after all the OP was a potential partner and was showing great interest in him.

But he did not, what he did instead is rejecting her, probably because he thought she's too controlling. Think about it.

And as I said, NT women do this 'not interested' or not 'not so interested yet' behavior (with using white lies sometimes) without saying it all the time to filter out men, this is one of the rare cases where things are reversed.



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03 Feb 2014, 5:53 pm

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Can I just ask to those who have critisised me for confronting him about telling me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and telling me he no longer checked the dating site, when I found that both these were lies. If you had been in my situation and were arranging a second date when you had been on the phone. Can you really say you would have ignored what he said?

Who would have really ignored being lied to about the train times, then about if he was talking to other people, he added photos to his profile while we were talking, told me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and then, still arranged to meet again? He was clearly playing the field? Am I wrong?



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I phoned him, and he said he had been busy. I said could we meet again, and he said he had to check his times tomorrow, and he said he was really tired and had to go. I was obviously upset.


Why were you upset at this stage? Because he said he wanted to check this times tomorrow? That's controlling sign.

Besides, talking on the phone is more tiring than browsing and checking messages, you probably phoned him late and was too tired for talking on the phone.


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But he also said he got lots of responses from the dating site, but did not read them.


He said he did not read them, but that doesn't mean he won't read them at a later time.

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Later on that night I watched a film, and then at midnight I got a message from the site, so I logged on to check it, and found he was online. I got really upset as he had told me earlier he could not talk because he was too tired, but he was not too tired to talk to other people. SO I sent him a messaging telling him it had upset me.


How many young people of this generation go to bed, and check things on their phone out of curiosity while laying on bed?

He said he's going to the bed and not going to sleep.



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03 Feb 2014, 6:10 pm

Daisy12345 wrote:
Can I just ask to those who have critisised me for confronting him about telling me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and telling me he no longer checked the dating site, when I found that both these were lies. If you had been in my situation and were arranging a second date when you had been on the phone. Can you really say you would have ignored what he said?

Who would have really ignored being lied to about the train times, then about if he was talking to other people, he added photos to his profile while we were talking, told me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and then, still arranged to meet again? He was clearly playing the field? Am I wrong?


He started looking at other profiles or whatever when it was clear it wasn't going to work out. Furthermore, he was trying to politely part ways with you while trying not to hurt your feelings. People do it all the time. There's no vast conspiracy here.



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03 Feb 2014, 6:20 pm

To state the obvious, and I want to make it clear that I am not trying to be critical or mean with you:

He is in no way after one date obligated to be totally open and honest about his activities or what he does. I would have let this slide myself and see if he gets back to me.

I do remember seeing this complaint on POF forums about the green dot from previous contacts as well indicating someone is online. It is apparently on when the phone app is on, but idle as well from what I have heard. Some people on those forums over there think that this green dot was a bad idea.


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03 Feb 2014, 6:32 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Lilya wrote:
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Lilya wrote:
He did lie about a lot of details. It sounds to me like he was after a one-night-stand and was disappointed for not getting further. I don't see you having had the chance to win this one, and frankly, I doubt it would have been worth it in the first place.

Ignore him making it sound like it was something you did, and please try to move on. Unfortunately a lot of people can initially lie or exaggerate their views or assets in order to get closer to someone, especially online.

I can recall a few people online who had said various things about their values and aspirations in life to match mine and in real life, had turned out to present the very opposite after getting to know them slightly better. In all cases the motive was to pique curiosity until they had managed to "get laid" which luckily, never happened with any of them. Even if a person has sincere motives, a lot of people do try to create rapport by trying find (or invent) similarities to another person.


Hmm...not necessarily he cut her off because of that.

First thing, stalking - or giving the impression of stalking - is always a turn off thing, the guy was probably thinking along the lines "First date and yet she's already watching me and trying to be that controlling! And wanting me to give her justifications for my online activity! Wtf?", he could be really got tired of talking on the phone and went to bed and checked the site on his phone, and remember, he has no obligations (ie. keep talking on the phone all night) toward the OP yet.

Or he really wasn't attracted to her, and seeking for any excuse to reject her.

^^ Women do all of this all the time, it's just you ladies aren't used to see it coming from men, this guy is most probably highly attractive and has a lot of options, and not desperate for sex (ie. like a lot of women on dating sites).


That doesn't excuse lying or pretending interest. His is actually a very common reaction when being exposed. I'm not saying he has obligations after one date, but I see him just making up an excuse not to continue being in touch. If he was genuinely interested, he most likely would have been willing to talk about things. Every decent person can be expected to show sincerity and respect towards another. He failed in that even before stating he did not want to keep in touch.


And if he was really a desperate for sex he would do anything to have her pardon and act all Nice Guy hoping for sex later, after all the OP was a potential partner and was showing great interest in him.

But he did not, what he did instead is rejecting her, probably because he thought she's too controlling. Think about it.

And as I said, NT women do this 'not interested' or not 'not so interested yet' behavior (with using white lies sometimes) without saying it all the time to filter out men, this is one of the rare cases where things are reversed.


I disagree, in my experience such men move on very quickly when they fail to find easy enough target. Lying about having missed the last train is pretty obvious trying to get laid move by my interpretation.


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03 Feb 2014, 6:52 pm

Daisy12345 wrote:
Can I just ask to those who have critisised me for confronting him about telling me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and telling me he no longer checked the dating site, when I found that both these were lies. If you had been in my situation and were arranging a second date when you had been on the phone. Can you really say you would have ignored what he said?


The guy was dicking you around, nothing worth troubling yourself over.

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Who would have really ignored being lied to about the train times, then about if he was talking to other people, he added photos to his profile while we were talking, told me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and then, still arranged to meet again? He was clearly playing the field? Am I wrong?


Your feelings are understandable, however it wouldn't hurt to play it cool next time as well, both for your own sake and for the fact that the next, potentially more genuine guy might be put off. Even reading your OP I was thinking...

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03 Feb 2014, 7:04 pm

OP, I feel like you. This happens to me all the time.

Hope you get someone next time that likes your personality and everything that goes with it.



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Daisy12345 wrote:
Can I just ask to those who have critisised me for confronting him about telling me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and telling me he no longer checked the dating site, when I found that both these were lies. If you had been in my situation and were arranging a second date when you had been on the phone. Can you really say you would have ignored what he said?

Who would have really ignored being lied to about the train times, then about if he was talking to other people, he added photos to his profile while we were talking, told me he could not talk as he was going to bed, and then, still arranged to meet again? He was clearly playing the field? Am I wrong?


I don't think you are wrong in how you feel. I get mad too when someone seems to be deceitful with me. It is not the rejection, but the dishonesty, that gets me. However, I don't think calling the person on their dishonesty will do any good. All it does is put them on the defensive. I have never gotten a positive response when I called someone on their dishonesty. They just get mad because I make them feel guilty for lying. Their anger at my confronting them simply pushes us further apart, makes me feel even worse.



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04 Feb 2014, 3:08 am

I think you unintentionally dodged a bullet; this guy sounds like a real as*hole.