BazzaMcKenzie wrote:
kosgrove wrote:
What do you think are the best things about your personality you have to offer a woman?
If we start there, I might be able to provide some advice.
I think its curious that its a recurring theme that women want to know what they can get out of a relationship first. (Men know what they want - sex
)
Still I think at a subconscious level anyway, women want security for themselves and children (prehistoric instinct of protection). This means caring, independence, hard working, good provider etc. Its not all that long ago in European cultures that marriage contract was a "contract" negotiated and bargained over.
*** Bazza ducks to avoid Ticker's left hook ***
This doesn't mean that love doesn't enter the equation, just that
many, not all people are not generally
initially attracted to people outside their own culture/class/expectations IMHO.
Subconciously maybe some or even most, but I know for me it was like this:
I viewed all men as they wanted to hold me down and procreate. Any hint of that caused immediate rejection on my part, since I had no interest in that. Basically, that became an issue for all of them but one. I have to always feel that I can walk away or take care of myself so while I want someone equal to me financially (because I won't take care of anyone, that way or any other), I would never care what they made beyond that because it would have to be in a separate account anyway. So, for instance, if I wanted to suddenly go to New Zealand, I would expect that he could afford to do that as well. That doesn't have to do with much besides the fact that I'm not going to take care of someone else because I'm not nurturing at all.
So, having said that and acknowledging that I am not normal about anything, I have a definite physical type that I am attracted to and that's it. I mean that is it. On top of that, they have to be that type and have a certain personality type. I like intellectual, analytical, somewhat arrogant, OCD types. That's because if they can't talk about or enjoy the things I like, it's over. I don't want someone pretending they like what I like. Now, they could talk about some academic subject I was never interested in before and I'll gain a short term obsession for myself and love it, but I'm not going to be watching sports in this lifetime or things like Jerry Springer or any of that so-called normal crap. (My view of crap anyway) I'm not going to be around anyone else who does that either.
As to the OCD, that's because I want to stay in my world of writing and other interests, but I like order. I was never much to take care of myself. I never cared whether I ate, I never learned the fine art of laundry or cleaning or any of that. The most I probably would have done is hire a maid to do it. On the other hand, I probably would have starved because I can't stand to touch food to prepare it, I hate going out and trying to decide what to eat at restaurants and I always forget food anyway. OCD people of either sex love me because they feel they can rule my environment and I appreciate it (no one appreciates OCD behavior except someone off the deep end like I am). So, an OCD guy with me gets to have all his rules and routines his own way, but he also has to do it all because I won't even notice that stuff, much less do it. In other words, they get to impose order on chaos. Order always wants to impose itself onto chaos.
So, that's the basics of it. Emotionally, forget it. My empathy and feeler scores are 0. If they are looking for any emotional reassurances, they are out of luck. If they want someone to notice if they are starving, forget it. It would never happen. I would never notice what clothes they wore, much less if they needed new clothes. I only know which way my clothes are supposed to hang in the closet because my OCD husband told me that's how they are supposed to be in there and it wigs him out if they aren't that way. But, if he's sick, I never have a clue. I might say something like, Did you stay home today? Oh. Then, I would walk away. It probably would be best not to expect me to ask you how you were feeling now. It would be an exercise in futility.
I don't see sex as having anything to do with anything emotional. I like it only if I'm attracted, but it's completely separate from the emotional for me, so you can't expect any of that because you aren't going to get it. For me, it is an intellectual and artistic thing and that's exactly how I treat it.
Anyway, as I said, I'm not the norm, but neither is the type I like, so it's fine. I dated enough of them and married my husband. We suit and that's all I care about. He's so limited in what he likes that I'm sure that's all he cares about as well. Neither one of us thinks anyone else could stand to live with us.