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16 May 2014, 9:02 am

Recently I have been applying investment theories towards every aspect of my life so that I can achieve the lifestyle I truly want instead of one that society demands. I see an asset as something that puts wealth into my pocket financially or spiritually whereas a liability is something that takes wealth out of my pocket.

Liabilities being mortgages, car loans, credit card debt, taxes, school loans, rent, food and transportation.

Assets being rental income, dividends, interest, royalties, real estate, stocks, bonds, stocks and intellectual property.

But I also questioned, are the relationships share with others, are they enriching to your financial and spiritual wealth?

I see so many people living beyond their means to impress society, a young couple getting further into debt, getting a mortgage they can't afford or having children when they could be securing a greater investment strategy for the future. Many people only see the short term gain, people strive for wealth, health and love but they only see short term fixes such as how to get rich quick, how to lose weight with a magic pill, how to meet prince charming or fall in love without any obstacles, hard work or obstructions..

People want convenience in our society and that's where they miss the point, they fail to see the long term strategy. Instead they go to college, get a diploma, work hard to pay off their debt until they are in a vicious cycle of paying their debt because of the desire to live beyond their means. They spend years accumulating wealth, going to college learning topics but learning little about money management or financial wisdom. Academics spend years in their fields of expertise to acquire wealth yet they don't find true financial freedom.

The relevance this has towards love and dating is that we can apply it to relationships as well. Should you buy a convertible sports car to please the opposite sex when you could be saving for investments? Should you have children if they are going to be a liability simply because society says so? Should you buy a big house just to please society or your wife or girlfriend? The answer is no. The sooner you free your mind from the demands and pressures of others and start living for yourself, the sooner you see long term rather than short term, the sooner you can be free to pursue the life you want. Even many women feel pressure to push out a few kids before their biological clock runs out but I ask myself why? There are other pursuits in life other than having children, especially if you are struggling in other areas like financially or spiritually.

I see so many threads on this forum, people questioning philosophies regarding dating and it makes me think, why waste your time with knowledge that has no end result? Is it going to get you the life you truly want? Question why you long for health, wealth and love and devise long term strategies as to how you will fulfill these needs instead of short term.



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16 May 2014, 10:12 am

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Should you buy a convertible sports car to please the opposite sex when you could be saving for investments?


Well, if you really want to date/LTR/marry someone who is thrilled by convertible sports cars, then yeah.

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Should you have children if they are going to be a liability simply because society says so?


A liability? You should have children if you want to have children. If you don't want to have children, I very much advise against doing so.

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Should you buy a big house just to please society or your wife or girlfriend?


Well, yeah, if it's important to you to do so. It it's not important to you to do so, and you don't want one yourself, then it seems an odd thing to be doing.

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The answer is no.


No, the answer depends on what the person values.

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Even many women feel pressure to push out a few kids before their biological clock runs out but I ask myself why?


And what answer do you come up with? Women, unlike men, have a limited time in which they can have children. A man can postpone having children until he is quite sure of his decision. Women simply don't have as long a time period, and the looming decline and end of their fertility is quite a psychological pressure.

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I see so many threads on this forum, people questioning philosophies regarding dating and it makes me think, why waste your time with knowledge that has no end result? Is it going to get you the life you truly want? Question why you long for health, wealth and love and devise long term strategies as to how you will fulfill these needs instead of short term.


And I see threads by you in which you assume everyone should want what you want for the same reasons you want it, and go about getting it how you would go about getting it.


Personally, I'm looking forward to the thread in which you detail your efforts to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs.


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16 May 2014, 11:30 am

OP, you've got some deeply strange ideas about why people do things.

People usually have children because they want children or because they can't bring themselves to have abortions. Yes, it would be nice if more people thought about what kids will cost, but most parents aren't parents because they were hoping to impress.

Academics don't study "how to get rich", and it's not generally what they're after, though most of them would prefer not to be on food stamps.

I'm increasingly convinced that most of the guys posting here have never actually spoken to a girl. Sports cars? From what hopped-up movie fantasy do you get the idea that girls (we're leaving women out of this entirely) are mainly after Maseratis? Yes, if she has to do the driving everywhere, she'll likely get annoyed, but in general it's young men who're impressed by sports cars, not young women.

Most adults who aren't Rand-obsessed pinheads understand that taxes are necessary to a functioning society. You don't want to live in a town that has no police or emergency services, no road or water/sewer services, no zoning, no recreation facilities, no trash removal, no library, no schools, no judicial system, no public health services, no telecom or insurance or power-company regulation, no services for the poor and disabled. You don't want a society that's got lots of adults with a 2nd-grade education. How much you have to pay to get the services and have a functioning town, how the money's managed, these are other things. But yes, most adults understand that it's a bad idea to free yourself from paying taxes.

Returning to the subject of children: What's extraordinary to me is how many of the people who insist it's a vile insult against them to suggest they should have anything to do with the support of the children they were smart enough not to have (support through school taxes, for instance) -- how many of these people expect that the universe will just produce fresh new people for them. Fresh new people who will one day arrive at their businesses and buy things from them. Or who will become nurses and social workers and take care of them. Remarkable way in which the whole mechanism works for these people.

Anyway - if your main point is "don't overspend", then, well, okay, but if it's "hug every nickel to yourself and don't let go", nobody's much interested in this and for good reasons.



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16 May 2014, 11:49 am

I read the OP's message and thought to myself "wow, that sounds like something I wrote at the age of 21!" All I can say is that the OP is just like me at that age, very intelligent and insightful but has A LOT to learn about the world and society really works. Seeing the OPs age listed as 21 is no surprise and if it wasn't listed as something close to that, I would call them a liar. It's a good if not naive angle and I don't have time to reply, but I would love to see what the OP thinks of what they wrote ten years down the road. All I can say is that all the theories and laws you learn in University generally DO NOT apply to flesh and blood human beings. No wonder everyone laughed at me when I was 21... I was embarrassingly naive about reality and I shouted down at all the 'idiots' who didn't embrace a Randian/Libertarian ideology.



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16 May 2014, 1:22 pm

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A liability? You should have children if you want to have children. If you don't want to have children, I very much advise against doing so.


Having children with no regard of finances or the foreseen outcome is irresponsible, children aren't something to simply say to have because you feel like it..

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And what answer do you come up with? Women, unlike men, have a limited time in which they can have children. A man can postpone having children until he is quite sure of his decision. Women simply don't have as long a time period, and the looming decline and end of their fertility is quite a psychological pressure.


Realize that having children in life is optional and not necessary, there are other ways to leave a legacy and leaving a legacy financially or creatively first before having children is an admirable one.

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And I see threads by you in which you assume everyone should want what you want for the same reasons you want it, and go about getting it how you would go about getting it.


People want different things, yes but if the end goal doesn't benefit you or others in some way, what's the point of it?



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16 May 2014, 1:34 pm

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I read the OP's message and thought to myself "wow, that sounds like something I wrote at the age of 21!" All I can say is that the OP is just like me at that age, very intelligent and insightful but has A LOT to learn about the world and society really works. Seeing the OPs age listed as 21 is no surprise and if it wasn't listed as something close to that, I would call them a liar. It's a good if not naive angle and I don't have time to reply, but I would love to see what the OP thinks of what they wrote ten years down the road. All I can say is that all the theories and laws you learn in University generally DO NOT apply to flesh and blood human beings. No wonder everyone laughed at me when I was 21... I was embarrassingly naive about reality and I shouted down at all the 'idiots' who didn't embrace a Randian/Libertarian ideology.


We are told to accept our role and play it well, based on a variety of circumstances, some of them are in our control and some of them are outside of our control. Not everyone is going to be in a magic circle law firm or create an entrepreneurial idea that revolutionizes the way we live and connect with others, I do however question why people would spend thousands on getting a degree in Art subjects but each to their own, everybody has the right to pursue a different path and there are different strokes for different folks.

Taxes and loss in life are certain of course, it's making sure that the profits and gains we experience outweigh those taxes and losses in whatever we do and one way of doing that is not to live beyond our means. Many rich people end up poor again, America's richest businessmen, athletes and lottery winners have all ended up bankrupt in the past. We should find things that enrich our lives for ourselves rather than things that society pushes us into.

If you don't enjoy spending 10 hours coding a day, you wouldn't do it and although there are negatives, there are positives, the question is to weigh those positives and negatives as with everything in life.



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16 May 2014, 1:49 pm

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OP, you've got some deeply strange ideas about why people do things.

People usually have children because they want children or because they can't bring themselves to have abortions. Yes, it would be nice if more people thought about what kids will cost, but most parents aren't parents because they were hoping to impress.

Academics don't study "how to get rich", and it's not generally what they're after, though most of them would prefer not to be on food stamps.

I'm increasingly convinced that most of the guys posting here have never actually spoken to a girl. Sports cars? From what hopped-up movie fantasy do you get the idea that girls (we're leaving women out of this entirely) are mainly after Maseratis? Yes, if she has to do the driving everywhere, she'll likely get annoyed, but in general it's young men who're impressed by sports cars, not young women.

Most adults who aren't Rand-obsessed pinheads understand that taxes are necessary to a functioning society. You don't want to live in a town that has no police or emergency services, no road or water/sewer services, no zoning, no recreation facilities, no trash removal, no library, no schools, no judicial system, no public health services, no telecom or insurance or power-company regulation, no services for the poor and disabled. You don't want a society that's got lots of adults with a 2nd-grade education. How much you have to pay to get the services and have a functioning town, how the money's managed, these are other things. But yes, most adults understand that it's a bad idea to free yourself from paying taxes.

Returning to the subject of children: What's extraordinary to me is how many of the people who insist it's a vile insult against them to suggest they should have anything to do with the support of the children they were smart enough not to have (support through school taxes, for instance) -- how many of these people expect that the universe will just produce fresh new people for them. Fresh new people who will one day arrive at their businesses and buy things from them. Or who will become nurses and social workers and take care of them. Remarkable way in which the whole mechanism works for these people.

Anyway - if your main point is "don't overspend", then, well, okay, but if it's "hug every nickel to yourself and don't let go", nobody's much interested in this and for good reasons.


Maybe they haven't, I have just spent a few days in a beautiful European city with a beautiful European women that I enjoy the company, emotional, physical and spiritual intimacy of very much. Do I understand the mysteries of women or every emotional response that a person may feel? Do I understand the mysteries of social interaction? No. I am extremely fortunate to be born into a good family in one of the best countries in the world. I don't like using the term best because cultures have different ways of living and others question if we should or shouldn't impose on their ways but that's another matter. I am fortunate to have opportunities to grow stronger, to learn, to experience and to teach.

Does making it in one profession outweigh the importance of another? Does an independent financial adviser or solicitor deserve more admiration over a teacher or a philosopher? That is also another question based on the individual and their value of what they love.

Life can be a hard teacher, yes but God is in the rain, growing and learning from our mistakes, learning from trial and error, we are all placed on different journeys, it's not about how far we come in comparison to others but how far we come in comparison to ourselves.

Taxes are an integral part of our society but there are other ways to not live beyond your means, as I said through assets, budgeting and saving to be able to fulfill your needs long term instead of focusing on a short term paycheck or living week by week.

Adults with a second grand education? No but adults with a preschool education should be filtered into specific topics more effectively, school should explore a greater range of topics such as finances and practical jobs instead of history, art or fitting in..



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16 May 2014, 1:54 pm

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Maybe they haven't, I have just spent a few days in a beautiful European city with a beautiful European women that I enjoy the company, emotional, physical and spiritual intimacy of very much. Do I understand the mysteries of women or every emotional response that a person may feel? Do I understand the mysteries of social interaction? No. I am extremely fortunate to be born into a good family in one of the best countries in the world. I don't like using the term best because cultures have different ways of living and others question if we should or shouldn't impose on their ways but that's another matter. I am fortunate to have opportunities to grow stronger, to learn, to experience and to teach.

Does making it in one profession outweigh the importance of another? Does an independent financial adviser or solicitor deserve more admiration over a teacher or a philosopher? That is also another question based on the individual and their value of what they love.

Life can be a hard teacher, yes but God is in the rain, growing and learning from our mistakes, learning from trial and error, we are all placed on different journeys, it's not about how far we come in comparison to others but how far we come in comparison to ourselves.

Taxes are an integral part of our society but there are other ways to not live beyond your means, as I said through assets, budgeting and saving to be able to fulfill your needs long term instead of focusing on a short term paycheck or living week by week.

Adults with a second grand education? No but adults with a preschool education should be filtered into specific topics more effectively, school should explore a greater range of topics such as finances and practical jobs instead of history, art or fitting in..


yeah, 'cause what good has learning about history or art ever done for anyone?--so impractical! :lol:



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16 May 2014, 2:09 pm

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Maybe they haven't, I have just spent a few days in a beautiful European city with a beautiful European women that I enjoy the company, emotional, physical and spiritual intimacy of very much. Do I understand the mysteries of women or every emotional response that a person may feel? Do I understand the mysteries of social interaction? No. I am extremely fortunate to be born into a good family in one of the best countries in the world. I don't like using the term best because cultures have different ways of living and others question if we should or shouldn't impose on their ways but that's another matter. I am fortunate to have opportunities to grow stronger, to learn, to experience and to teach.

Does making it in one profession outweigh the importance of another? Does an independent financial adviser or solicitor deserve more admiration over a teacher or a philosopher? That is also another question based on the individual and their value of what they love.

Life can be a hard teacher, yes but God is in the rain, growing and learning from our mistakes, learning from trial and error, we are all placed on different journeys, it's not about how far we come in comparison to others but how far we come in comparison to ourselves.

Taxes are an integral part of our society but there are other ways to not live beyond your means, as I said through assets, budgeting and saving to be able to fulfill your needs long term instead of focusing on a short term paycheck or living week by week.

Adults with a second grand education? No but adults with a preschool education should be filtered into specific topics more effectively, school should explore a greater range of topics such as finances and practical jobs instead of history, art or fitting in..


yeah, 'cause what good has learning about history or art ever done for anyone?--so impractical! :lol:


Learning about the struggles that defined us is important, about the sacrifices people made for us to grow, learning is an experience...

However a Leonardo Da Vinci would not need to attend an art college, I would only recommend art class for those who are specular in making profitable product or implementing it towards a greater design or innovation. Art is a very powerful thing conceptually and it can be applied to a range of other pursuits but I think it's important that we understand why the art is utilized and how it can enrich others.



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16 May 2014, 2:16 pm

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Maybe they haven't, I have just spent a few days in a beautiful European city with a beautiful European women that I enjoy the company, emotional, physical and spiritual intimacy of very much. Do I understand the mysteries of women or every emotional response that a person may feel? Do I understand the mysteries of social interaction? No. I am extremely fortunate to be born into a good family in one of the best countries in the world. I don't like using the term best because cultures have different ways of living and others question if we should or shouldn't impose on their ways but that's another matter. I am fortunate to have opportunities to grow stronger, to learn, to experience and to teach.

Does making it in one profession outweigh the importance of another? Does an independent financial adviser or solicitor deserve more admiration over a teacher or a philosopher? That is also another question based on the individual and their value of what they love.

Life can be a hard teacher, yes but God is in the rain, growing and learning from our mistakes, learning from trial and error, we are all placed on different journeys, it's not about how far we come in comparison to others but how far we come in comparison to ourselves.

Taxes are an integral part of our society but there are other ways to not live beyond your means, as I said through assets, budgeting and saving to be able to fulfill your needs long term instead of focusing on a short term paycheck or living week by week.

Adults with a second grand education? No but adults with a preschool education should be filtered into specific topics more effectively, school should explore a greater range of topics such as finances and practical jobs instead of history, art or fitting in..


yeah, 'cause what good has learning about history or art ever done for anyone?--so impractical! :lol:


Learning about the struggles that defined us is important, about the sacrifices people made for us to grow, learning is an experience...

However a Leonardo Da Vinci would not need to attend an art college, I would only recommend art class for those who are specular in making profitable product or implementing it towards a greater design or innovation. Art is a very powerful thing conceptually and it can be applied to a range of other pursuits but I think it's important that we understand why the art is utilized and how it can enrich others.


*woooooosh*

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16 May 2014, 2:21 pm

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A liability? You should have children if you want to have children. If you don't want to have children, I very much advise against doing so.


Having children with no regard of finances or the foreseen outcome is irresponsible, children aren't something to simply say to have because you feel like it..

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And what answer do you come up with? Women, unlike men, have a limited time in which they can have children. A man can postpone having children until he is quite sure of his decision. Women simply don't have as long a time period, and the looming decline and end of their fertility is quite a psychological pressure.


Realize that having children in life is optional and not necessary, there are other ways to leave a legacy and leaving a legacy financially or creatively first before having children is an admirable one.

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And I see threads by you in which you assume everyone should want what you want for the same reasons you want it, and go about getting it how you would go about getting it.


People want different things, yes but if the end goal doesn't benefit you or others in some way, what's the point of it?


Well look I'm 17 and even I have kinda desided on this, I want kids to leave a legacy. One or two things I disagree with 1. Kids can be planed but finance should not be a reason granted you have to have money to support them but If I feel like I want a child and my partner shares this view then its a go as long as we have enough to make sure that child has what it needs to survive 2. Legacy can't be about money, it means nothing when your dead yes you wanna make sure your child has some but what use is good finance when ur dead, as long as you are not in massive amounts of debt then its fine plus I believe legacy is through what you leave behind such as children, actions money dose not really have an legacy at all in the end.



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16 May 2014, 2:39 pm

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Maybe they haven't, I have just spent a few days in a beautiful European city with a beautiful European women that I enjoy the company, emotional, physical and spiritual intimacy of very much. Do I understand the mysteries of women or every emotional response that a person may feel? Do I understand the mysteries of social interaction? No. I am extremely fortunate to be born into a good family in one of the best countries in the world. I don't like using the term best because cultures have different ways of living and others question if we should or shouldn't impose on their ways but that's another matter. I am fortunate to have opportunities to grow stronger, to learn, to experience and to teach.

Does making it in one profession outweigh the importance of another? Does an independent financial adviser or solicitor deserve more admiration over a teacher or a philosopher? That is also another question based on the individual and their value of what they love.

Life can be a hard teacher, yes but God is in the rain, growing and learning from our mistakes, learning from trial and error, we are all placed on different journeys, it's not about how far we come in comparison to others but how far we come in comparison to ourselves.

Taxes are an integral part of our society but there are other ways to not live beyond your means, as I said through assets, budgeting and saving to be able to fulfill your needs long term instead of focusing on a short term paycheck or living week by week.

Adults with a second grand education? No but adults with a preschool education should be filtered into specific topics more effectively, school should explore a greater range of topics such as finances and practical jobs instead of history, art or fitting in..


yeah, 'cause what good has learning about history or art ever done for anyone?--so impractical! :lol:


Learning about the struggles that defined us is important, about the sacrifices people made for us to grow, learning is an experience...

However a Leonardo Da Vinci would not need to attend an art college, I would only recommend art class for those who are specular in making profitable product or implementing it towards a greater design or innovation. Art is a very powerful thing conceptually and it can be applied to a range of other pursuits but I think it's important that we understand why the art is utilized and how it can enrich others.


Many artists considered 'greats' have done time in various educational institutions, or benefitted from similar learning, to better hone their talent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci

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In 1466, at the age of fourteen, Leonardo was apprenticed to the artist Andrea di Cione, known as Verrocchio, whose workshop was "one of the finest in Florence".[16] Other famous painters apprenticed or associated with the workshop include Domenico Ghirlandaio, Perugino, Botticelli, and Lorenzo di Credi.[11][17] Leonardo would have been exposed to both theoretical training and a vast range of technical skills[18] including drafting, chemistry, metallurgy, metal working, plaster casting, leather working, mechanics and carpentry as well as the artistic skills of drawing, painting, sculpting and modelling.


I imagine Oscar Wilde's dictum that 'all art is quite useless' would be rather lost on you. Or, in a slightly more poetic turn, Neil Finn's line that 'colour is its own reward'.

But I would go beyond that. It is art that both helps and challenges us to make sense of the world. That is where its value lies, not in how much more sleek a smartphone can look.

Your various assertions assume the continuation of present economic institutions and circumstances. This shows the limit and shallowness of your consideration. But, there is hope. Perhaps you'll take other perspectives.


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16 May 2014, 4:34 pm

OP, you have an interesting theory. At your age I was looking for both coping mechanisms to deal with the string of broken relationships and a way to explain what was going on. You've done it using Economics and Investment theories, I did it using Statistics and Game Theory. I'm still here, and I'm now in a stable long-term relationship so I know that my method works, how about yours?

Treat this as a long term project, follow through using your theories for (maybe) a few years and then consider writing it all up.

Now, there are going to be folk on this board who think that the two of us are nuts, fine, I don't care, but consider this. Aspies are supposed to appreciate order in all things and we KNOW that our minds work differently to the standard NT model. Why not therefore use our specific skills as a way of coping with the big wide NT world out there?


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16 May 2014, 5:04 pm

I actually agree with a lot of what the OP has said.

But why long for health? Because, without health, you've got nothing. Nothing. I think health and happiness are the two things people should never lose focus on trying to achieve.

Apart from these two things, I don't see it wise to get caught up in the views of society.



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16 May 2014, 5:33 pm

I remember reading a book review about a guy who wrote a book about love and economics. Think it was The Romantic Economist

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Romantic-Economist-Market-Forces/dp/1780721021



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16 May 2014, 5:51 pm

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I actually agree with a lot of what the OP has said.

But why long for health? Because, without health, you've got nothing. Nothing. I think health and happiness are the two things people should never lose focus on trying to achieve.

Apart from these two things, I don't see it wise to get caught up in the views of society.


I'll reply to the other responses later as I'm occupied at this moment but I appreciate them.

Natural health and herbal remedies are two of my interests along with nutrition and fitness.

I eat a strict gluten, wheat and dairy free diet on top of running, weightlifting, conditioning and Plyometrics. I don't like alcohol, smoking or drugs and I recently quit Anafranil in favour of a combination including Magnesium, GABA, 5 HTP and L Theanine. I took it to deal with my over analytical thoughts but I'm finding focusing on technical analysis and the financial markets help it channel it, exercise greatly helped me to also relieve stress.

I try to focus on beneficial foods and avoid monotonous diets, I mainly eat vegetables, fruit and nuts. So I think health is important in every aspect, my motivations are health, wealth and love.