Rodgers and sacrificing human emotion

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I thought to myself Rodgers killed himself because of a society that is obsessed with self. Regardless of logic, regardless of consequence, regardless of how their actions effect others..

The real emotions to blame are guilt, rage, fear and a anger, a society of emotion but if we erased emotions, there would be rationality and logic.
People would focus on the advancing our civilization through technology and science, there would be no war or murder and we would advance our race far beyond the means. People wouldn't care about the appearance of a piece of metal, they would care more about how it has an effect on the earth, people would be more in tune with nature, science and civilization. We are connecting now with technology and it's only a matter of time before we realize most atrocities and injustices in human history are a result of human emotion.

What are your thoughts on this?

Piss poor metaphysics.

Everything that has happened, in terms of human intention, be it good or bad, is a result of emotion, of desire, of sentiment. It cannot be otherwise.

Hitler was emotional.

Emotional for killing.

Wrong, machines operate without emotion or desire and they are far more efficient in some cases and they don't rely a person to operate them in certain cases. Look at self check out machines, they scan efficiently and have proven to be a growing technology.

It is people that take advantage of systems, human emotion. Look at the self check out technology in supermarkets, it is a growing technology and it replaces the need for a human employee. It is still in developmental stages but think of the changes we could bring if we invested more and more in these technologies.

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There is some truth that our society promotes peoples narcissism, mostly through narcissistic parents and isolated childhood. But its important to mention, that he was autistic, so he couldn't really connect with others. That is a personal tragedy. Emotions are not bad if properly controlled - they have biological purpose, every emotion is a thought but today people don't understand them. Like, if I feel anger, there is a reason why, a very good logical reason. Emotions are good, but most people such at them, because you need a lot of conscious effort in order to understand and control them.

Our society could advance only if our numbers decrease. With so many people, education seems to be impossible. Besides, what this has to do with love and dating, this subforum should be free of such topics. PPR is more suitable.

So you want humans to be like machines, with no experiential, let alone self-experiential, capacity?

Machines operate as they do because human desire and need and ingenuity has brought them into existence.

Love is an emotion, people can use techniques which involve Cognitive behavioral therapy and Neurolinguistic programming to control emotion but as you said, there's no enough money to civilize or educate everyone in the world. More atrocities and injustices will be committed because of it, bringing wide spread education and awareness isn't going to come through building schools but forcing it on people with technology.

We see adverts, novels, films about love being kind, about the world rewarding the hard and honest working but it's nothing more than a heavenly sketch. People care about their survival, their needs, they care about themselves and getting from one point to the next regardless of how it affects others or the Earth. The reality is the world is a cruel place and atrocities are committed every day in every country, not just third world ones that lack education.

What's your suggestion to stop all the atrocities? What is your solution to how we control others?

Not entirely. Love is amazing, but I doubt we were meant to experience it. Connecting with other people is what people are made for, because we are supposed to be social. Opening your mind and connecting with your surroundings, letting go of bad emotions and promoting kindness does truly bring one happiness. Point is, that you have to do it for yourself, and work hard at it.

I meant advanced education, spiritual education. Our schools are very formulaic, they don't teach you how to live and how to think properly. I think that because we lost these traditions of connectedness, sharing through westernization we allowed greed etc in as driving force. On the other hand its very important to emphasize that not all people are bad, there are lots of good people and we experience kindness from strangers every day. Although, I cant explain how greed is so prevalent, looks like its inherit to all humans and life itself...So we need to raise above our primary instincts.. I do believe to some extent if we taught our children from young age to be kind and how to deal with emotions we could achieve much more. For instance this shooter. Looks like he was quite abandoned as a child and for that compensated with money. Recipe for disaster

Greed is so prevalent and amplified to us because corporations advertise it as a necessity component to our value by attaching narcissistic value to it. Raising above our primary instincts is one solution but also realizing that the system is flawed will help us to develop.

I'm not too happy on the 'control others' bit. Surely you mean how we control ourselves?

Humans respond to their varying social/economic/political conditions/systems. So, better social/economic/political conditions/systems. Better narratives about ourselves.

I'm not sure we can stop all the atrocities. If I had a beard, I'd stroke it and invoke the fundamental tragedy of the human condition.

(Striking my imaginary long white beard) ... Hmmmm. World Peace, how to achieve it?

How about we get rid of human emotion, and find LOGICAL rather than EMOTIONAL reasons for killing each other? Not entirely sure if that's an improvement, however.

I think you are a dangerous lunatic. This guy goes on a killing spree and you don't feel any anger or contempt toward him; you only blame society and the fact that humans have emotions?!

It might be a bit amplified by capitalism, sure. But also it's important to understand that it all starts with you, and me, and we have to raise above the instincts and spread this message. By controlling our own emotions and becoming more happy we are leading by example and that has a greater impact than you can know, because all media is reporting is the bad guys. Its important to focus on the positive and cultivate that which is truly valuable. Dont think black and white, things come around.

I totally agree. I believe we need to balance our rationality with our emotions. For a society to change, the individual members would have to choose out of their own free will to change. I plan on buying this book.

http://www.amazon.com/Spinning-Straw-In ... 1893075168

Please read Dr. Berman's books especially The Twilight of American culture. I enjoyed it. Like him I have concluded that our very culture is the problem. We are a business and hustling based society. Therein lies the problem in my opinion. I do not think we can fix our nation because it

I think Dr. Berman nails American assumptions

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogI ... 5257467468

What do you think?