THIS ISN'T THE ELLIOT ROGERS FORUM!! !

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What the hell?

I understand that some people want to discuss how perhaps, they see parallels with his sentiments and their own experiences, but this is hardly a dating forum anymore. Its getting completely derailed by a political campaign rather than people just sharing their dating experiences.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be feminist discussion on this forum. I'm saying that there shouldn't only be feminist discussion. Plus, some of these threads really belong in he politics forum instead or perhaps the women's forum.

He would enjoy all the attention,better to remember the victims than him.You know he sat around and gloated thinking how everyone would go on and on about him.

Alas, human nature is predictable.

But in a way, aren't we all Elliot Rodgers?

No...

First of all, let's tone down the hyperbole. L&D isn't being "completely derailed" by Elliot Rodger threads -- I count 4 related threads on the first page. You're still free to post whatever dating questions\insights you have. Some people felt compelled to post the topics in this forum because, frankly, some posters have expressed Rodger's brand of misogyny either implicitly in how they blame women for their predicaments or explicitly in any of the PUA threads.

Well, yes and no.

Yes, all of us (probably all people) have moments when we FEEL like that. When we can, sadly, relate.

No, because the vast majority of us, when we have those feelings and are faced with a choice, choose to feel them and let them pass, then get up and go on doing the best we can to enjoy the life we have (instead of growing hateful lamenting the one we think we ought to have).

And, if the vast majority of us have the impulse to kill, we brush it off, or snuff it out, or do whatever we do. And we DON'T feed it, nurture it, invoke it, and end up acting on it.

I agree with Misslizzard. It's worth considering his state of mind and where he went wrong, cause what you learn from someone else's mistakes is sort of like basically free wisdom, and you can hardly blame us for discussing how the media coverage affects us and our lives...

...but the stupid little spoiled s**t deserves no attention in his own right.

Miserable little puke.

The exchange above is from "How do I really get a girl?" in the Love and Dating sub-Forum. Clearly, this has become the Elliot Rodgers sub-forum. And, clearly, it is not a place where love and dating is considered an appropriate subject, by at least one user. How can a young man who wants a girlfriend be treated this way? Remember, these feelings are common among men and women on the spectrum. They come here to deal with those feelings. This is the place to help with advise and coping, not inflict shame. And certainly, not assign the shame of a mass murderer.

Post note: Many have speculated about the possibility that Elliot Rodgers may have been a member here. Well, consider this - What if Elliot Rodgers had come here seeking the help and support of other autistics? What if two years ago, he had posted to L&D a request for help and some assurances? Maybe, the outcome would have been different. Maybe, he would have spent the last two years with the feeling that some people understood and cared. Myself, I still wouldn't be surprised if many factors in the murders went far beyond anything we see in the video - we don't know for sure. But still, why discourage someone who wants a bit of help and encouragement getting a proper mindset and attitude?

Further note: You know, perhaps Elliot Rodgers really did come here asking for help. What if the investigation turns up a WP user name? What if his posts and the responses he received end up on TV news? What if the mother of one of the dead victims asks into the camera "Why didn't you help him? He asked for help. You could have helped him. Why did you treat him that way?"

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Did you read the rest of the thread you just quoted from? lol He's not exactly an innocent young man.

No, I read the early response. But, that is, on it's own, deplorable. My point is, those threads should be somewhere else.

the mods seem to disagree with you.

While I haven't been following this story very closely, there was a discussion of it tonight on Dr. Drew On Call. While I personally think Dr. Drew is a jackass, the discussion with the other members of the group, one of who has a daughter on the spectrum, tended to agree that the shooter did NOT have an ASD, but was instead, a spoiled rich brat, who felt everybody had to kowtow to him.

On another story, the Tea Party pundit known as Joe the Plumber is rubbing s*** into the faces of the victim's parents, stating his Second Amendment rights trump their tragedies every time. Now I know why I can't stand the political right, and most conservatives, as well as most liberals (being that I'm a centrist most of the time). They're all a bunch of louts!

It's so nice that everyone is caught up with only one portion of his murders.

I'm starting to think everyone is noiseist. Yeah, I said it. Noiseist.

I also think people are firearmists too. Yeah, I said that too. Firearmists.

I also, also think people are tragedy whores whom peddle their own hidden agendas.

The only way to help a man who thinks he is entitled to the affections and bodies of women is to tell him that he isn't. To try and explain to him why he isn't. And aside from the ethics of the matter, it would genuinely help, be a soothing realisation for the man in question, would actually make them happier. Where one feels entitled to something, but doesn't have that something, the fault is with the world, or the something in question. There is a perplexed anger that one does not have what one surely should. This is the difference between wanting something and feeling entitled.

Now, I happen to not think I'm entitled to such. If I came asking for romantic advice, I would take it through the understanding that women are people, and individuals, and no individual is in any way obligated to have any kind of interest in me. Viewed like this, the world meets my expectations, and a good number of times exceeds them. If I were to think I am entitled to everyone's interest, the world would (of course) constantly disappoint. And as I am entitled, the fault lies with the world. I am being deliberately deprived. Etc.

What help do you think Rodger wanted? What help do you think he would have listened to? What help do you think actually would have helped him?

Oh, dear Lord.

Did he come to frame his misery and rage through a noiseist lens, going to noiseist sites and talking to other noiseists how he hated all noise causing objects, planning on entering the noisiest place in the locale and killing all the noisemakers and wanting to round up all the noisemakers and starve them to death? No. He didn't. The frame, the narrative, was entitled misogyny, and it was not chosen at random, or by accident, and he found plenty of people willing to endorse that narrative.

Much too much of what he said about women turns up in all sorts of places, and is far from uncommon. There is no 'hidden agenda' in recognising that fact, finding it troublesome, and wanting to do something about it.

Pray tell, what is this 'hidden agenda'? What, to you, is so distasteful about a feminist approach to understanding this crime, and its wider social context?

What made this more immediate was the possible connection of the killer having Aspergers, though I am not at this point sure that is true. I have heard it both stated he was diagnosed, and also stated it was just the parents suspicion.

People have to process this thing in different ways, and for some that means talking about it. I think for us here, that it is best they can do so, rather then have to keep it locked up inside.