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25 May 2014, 9:40 am

It's a topic trending on twitter in the wake of the UCSB shootings, and I think every person on this forum would do well to go check it out.

I'll also note that Archdevilius was banned for autie supremacy and supporting murder, but not for his many, many misogynistic posts.



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25 May 2014, 11:10 am

What's the gist of sentiment on Twitter, if I can be lazy and ask you to be more detailed?
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Twitter hurts my eyes.


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25 May 2014, 11:48 am

Actually his misogynistic posts were also taken into account when we decided to ban him.


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25 May 2014, 11:57 am

Pobbles wrote:
What's the gist of sentiment on Twitter, if I can be lazy and ask you to be more detailed?
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Twitter hurts my eyes.


I've already put fourth to work as a moderator here, like me or label me I'm happy to run digital forensics for a page of this scale. Aggregating a few myopically nasty users is one thing, banning them entirely another. Misogyny isn't really so different from fantasized genocide anyway, so perhaps we can apply a bit more code where it's necessary?


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25 May 2014, 12:01 pm

Pobbles wrote:
What's the gist of sentiment on Twitter, if I can be lazy and ask you to be more detailed?
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Twitter hurts my eyes.


I'm not a Twitter person either, but here's a link to some commentary on #yesallwomen.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... es/371568/



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25 May 2014, 12:13 pm

The best mods don't apply IMO, they are chosen. :wink:

Marcia thanks for the link. I'm not able to completely emphasise with some of the sentiment there because I'm an ASD male, but I have noticed that I am treated with greater suspicion by women unless there's a woman on my arm.

If I can dare to compare this to some of the recent misogyny threads round these 'ere parts... much like the feminists here repeatedly run into the male misconception that all feminists are fascists, decent men are tarred with the same brush as sex offenders and murderers.

Annoying, but this is the world we live in.


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25 May 2014, 12:58 pm

https://twitter.com/hashtag/YesAllWomen?src=hash

This is a link to the Twitter page. I might have to open an account so I can participate.

hashtag yesallwomen is important and these voices need to be listened to, and what they say thought about. This is not the time for knee-jerk denials, or complaints that "not all men?" As some do point out, the men who do and the men who don't, look the same.

Read it. Think about it.



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25 May 2014, 1:14 pm

I don't have a twitter acct...and since this is WP, at least here I can post that I'm really grateful the main conversation in the twittersphere is around misogyny and the tweets are not #NotAllAspies.

And yep, if any good can come out of this horror, may it be that Society and individuals begin to think about the baselines of respect for women and men and why there is a need for #YesAllWomen..and for that matter the #NotAllMen response.



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25 May 2014, 1:15 pm

Pobbles wrote:
The best mods don't apply IMO, they are chosen. :wink:

Marcia thanks for the link. I'm not able to completely emphasise with some of the sentiment there because I'm an ASD male, but I have noticed that I am treated with greater suspicion by women unless there's a woman on my arm.

If I can dare to compare this to some of the recent misogyny threads round these 'ere parts... much like the feminists here repeatedly run into the male misconception that all feminists are fascists, decent men are tarred with the same brush as sex offenders and murderers.

Annoying, but this is the world we live in.


I've never found any direct way of contacting Alex, that's not really my opinion of what the site is for though. I may be a crazy hacker, but virulent insanity isn't allowed on my desk and given the proper administrative backing, I could work as a legal adjunct in the interests of keeping our web hosts out of the controversy.


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25 May 2014, 1:17 pm

Pobbles wrote:
The best mods don't apply IMO, they are chosen. :wink:

Marcia thanks for the link. I'm not able to completely emphasise with some of the sentiment there because I'm an ASD male, but I have noticed that I am treated with greater suspicion by women unless there's a woman on my arm.

If I can dare to compare this to some of the recent misogyny threads round these 'ere parts... much like the feminists here repeatedly run into the male misconception that all feminists are fascists, decent men are tarred with the same brush as sex offenders and murderers.

Annoying, but this is the world we live in.


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"Why do men feel threatened by women?" I asked a male friend of mine. (I love that wonderful rhetorical device, "a male friend of mine." It's often used by female journalists when they want to say something particularly bitchy but don't want to be held responsible for it themselves. It also lets people know that you do have male friends, that you aren't one of those fire-breathing mythical monsters, The Radical Feminists, who walk around with little pairs of scissors and kick men in the shins if they open doors for you. "A male friend of mine" also gives?let us admit it?a certain weight to the opinions expressed.) So this male friend of mine, who does by the way exist, conveniently entered into the following dialogue. "I mean," I said, "men are bigger, most of the time, they can run faster, strangle better, and they have on the average a lot more money and power." "They're afraid women will laugh at them," he said. "Undercut their world view." Then I asked some women students in a quickie poetry seminar I was giving, "Why do women feel threatened by men?" "They're afraid of being killed," they said.


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25 May 2014, 1:33 pm

Thanks for the whole Atwood quote...
it's made the #yesallwomen conversation in the essential short form and it's a powerful punch.



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25 May 2014, 2:06 pm

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Actually his misogynistic posts were also taken into account when we decided to ban him.


Nice to know. Thanks, TallyMan.



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25 May 2014, 2:30 pm

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The best mods don't apply IMO, they are chosen. :wink:

Marcia thanks for the link. I'm not able to completely emphasise with some of the sentiment there because I'm an ASD male, but I have noticed that I am treated with greater suspicion by women unless there's a woman on my arm.

If I can dare to compare this to some of the recent misogyny threads round these 'ere parts... much like the feminists here repeatedly run into the male misconception that all feminists are fascists, decent men are tarred with the same brush as sex offenders and murderers.

Annoying, but this is the world we live in.


I think this is true. I think also that the way to make this change is for men to take the lead in refusing to accept that kind of behavior from other men. When women shout about misogyny, the whole thing gets written off as a "women's problem", despite the fact that we're over half the population. But I think men tend to care what other men think of them; I think men tend to police each other more effectively than women can.

What it means is that you guys have to do something potentially scary, which is to stand up to other men who are talking and/or behaving in sexist ways, even when no women are around, and make it plain it won't do.



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25 May 2014, 4:58 pm

tarantella64 wrote:
What it means is that you guys have to do something potentially scary, which is to stand up to other men who are talking and/or behaving in sexist ways, even when no women are around, and make it plain it won't do.


I'm not sure if I entirely agree with that statement, as sexism isn't the sole preserve of men. I think responsibility should be shared.

If I can again refer and compare to the feminism / misogyny *fun* we've had recently, would it be fair to burden all women with the task of dispelling the popular male misconceptions about feminists? I wouldn't like to think so. [/devil's advocate]

* = for want of a sarcastic font


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25 May 2014, 6:33 pm

This is f*****g pathetic. This guy was not your run of the mill sexist asshat. This guy was a psychopath. A spoiled, rich psychopath. Using this tragedy to create a "public dialogue" about male etitlement and how apparently"all women" feel "threatened" by men is not only nauseating but abhorrent.

Too many people are more concerned with confirming their own biases than actually looking at the facts. These "entitled male sexists" were actually CREEPED OUT by him: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... ot-rodger/

Seriously, if this is supposed to be feminism then it has really sunk low.



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25 May 2014, 6:43 pm

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This is f***ing pathetic. This guy was not your run of the mill sexist asshat. This guy was a psychopath. A spoiled, rich psychopath. Using this tragedy to create a "public dialogue" about male etitlement and how apparently"all women" feel "threatened" by men is not only nauseating but abhorrent.

Too many people are more concerned with confirming their own biases than actually looking at the facts. These "entitled male sexists" were actually CREEPED OUT by him: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill ... ot-rodger/

Seriously, if this is supposed to be feminism then it has really sunk low.


you're right, he wasn't your run of the mill sexist asshat--but your average run of the mill sexist asshat (here in wrongplanet and elsewhere in the interwebs as well as the rest of the world) does sound eerily like much of what he said in his video. think about that for a moment.