Would plastic surgery have helped me meet girls in the past?
In my mid teens thru mid 20's, I was hideous. Ugly enough to frighten away the monster under my bed. Needless to say, 90% of girls wouldn't touch me with a 10-foot pole. And the remaining 10% wouldn't touch me with a 100-foot pole. I think my peak of ugliness was at age 18, when even a homely-looking girl didn't want to dance close with me, although my bad dancing at the time contributed to it. For all of my young years, no matter how much I tried, no girl ever liked me. None. None whatsoever.
When I reached a point of extreme frustration around age 21, I decided to get plastic surgery. I found a phone number of a highly advertised surgeon in my city, then called him and scheduled a consultation. He gave me a confused look at first, but only for less than a minute. I explained my situation to him, telling him that I wanted to change how my face looked, and he was nothing but utmostly sympathetic and professional. He took my photo, and used a computer program to show me a simulation of my new post-surgery face. But the cost estimate was over $10,000. And the physical recovery was at least 6 weeks. Not to mention the mandatory follow-ups and the possible counseling, adding to the costs. I apologized, told him I didn't have $10,000 or the time for recovery, and left his office feeling worse than before. The plastic surgeon was nice enough to waive the consultation fee; he must have seen how upset I was.
Now at age 32, most of this is largely irrelevant. I aged into my looks, as well as learned to dance, and can now talk to women without difficulty, although by no means easily. Even at age 29 on a cruise, both 20-something and 40-something women were flirting with me constantly, although some of it was just them being playful (and trusting me to know that), rather than romantic interest. Which was downright unthinkable as little as 5 years prior.
So, on with my question. What if? What if I did go through with the plastic surgery? And let's assume it was successful and the recovery was free of complications. How do you think my life would have been different? Would I be able to attract girls successfully, and if yes, would it be multiple one-night stands or one long-term girlfriend? Or would I be equally frustrated, only with a better-looking face, effectively wasting $10,000?
I take it your post was supposed to be sarcasm.
But when you're butt-ugly, becoming mid-range can feel like becoming the world's most eligible bachelor. That's why I wanted to have that plastic surgery. Also, according to science, attractiveness is mostly about symmetry. While I'm not sure of that computer program's exact algorithm, it probably did something to my photo to make my face look more symmetrical. The surgery itself would probably be on just one side of my face (a la Harvey Dent from "Dark Knight"), to match the other and give it better symmetry, plus adjust the shape of my eyes or something. Either way, I didn't have $10,000 back then, and no bank would give that loan to a 21-year-old for plastic surgery, so no sense beating a dead horse.
To make matters worse, I had a friend who was very physically attractive, and had girls practically standing in line to have sex with him. He was able to cold-approach a girl classmate, invite her over to "help him study", and have her in bed, all on the same day, without alcohol. So yeah, I wanted that for myself too.
Nope. I didn't see the need to relocate post-surgery. After all, girls who didn't like me wouldn't be seeing me again. I expected my friends and family to understand (or at least begrudgingly accept). And the new girls I'd meet, even in the same city, would be attracted to my new looks, and simply never have known my former ugly face.
probably something I should consider if I ever win the lottery. though if I change myself who will i be, not me. I'll be so unrecognizable. nope I'll probably just go extended medical coma route.
i don't know if it'd helped you. probably never know unless you find a alternate reality machine that can take you to other possible realities once in which you got the surgery done. then you'd need a time machine.
Meh. I'd get over it. That kind of embarrassment is way better than the pain of ongoing rejection for being born with an unattractive face. And those girls already think I'm creepy, from me approaching them in my ugly state. Because in most NT girls' eyes, "ugly guy" and "creepy guy" are practically synonyms. So I have nothing to lose. New girls, on the other hand, would be taking off their clothes within hours of meeting me. Like they did with my attractive friend.
Even more so, I'd go one step further and embarrass people back. Namely, by telling them I'm Aspie2, and that they're crazy for thinking anything else. If pushed, I'd say that Aspie1 is my dorky cousin who looks similar to me.
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You would probably notice differencess but it would not necessarily be significant differences in attention.
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That's a big assumption to make. Plus, who can actually say that you will look like the simulated picture? The plastic surgeon can't guarantee you that. After all, the picture was tweaked with a computer software, and your (potential) results rely almost entirely on your physician's skills.
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When I reached a point of extreme frustration around age 21, I decided to get plastic surgery. I found a phone number of a highly advertised surgeon in my city, then called him and scheduled a consultation. He gave me a confused look at first, but only for less than a minute. I explained my situation to him, telling him that I wanted to change how my face looked, and he was nothing but utmostly sympathetic and professional. He took my photo, and used a computer program to show me a simulation of my new post-surgery face. But the cost estimate was over $10,000. And the physical recovery was at least 6 weeks. Not to mention the mandatory follow-ups and the possible counseling, adding to the costs. I apologized, told him I didn't have $10,000 or the time for recovery, and left his office feeling worse than before. The plastic surgeon was nice enough to waive the consultation fee; he must have seen how upset I was.
Now at age 32, most of this is largely irrelevant. I aged into my looks, as well as learned to dance, and can now talk to women without difficulty, although by no means easily. Even at age 29 on a cruise, both 20-something and 40-something women were flirting with me constantly, although some of it was just them being playful (and trusting me to know that), rather than romantic interest. Which was downright unthinkable as little as 5 years prior.
So, on with my question. What if? What if I did go through with the plastic surgery? And let's assume it was successful and the recovery was free of complications. How do you think my life would have been different? Would I be able to attract girls successfully, and if yes, would it be multiple one-night stands or one long-term girlfriend? Or would I be equally frustrated, only with a better-looking face, effectively wasting $10,000?
Were you, objectively, in the bottom 5% of men looks-wise when you contemplated surgery at 21? And if you were, was it due to something physical rather than lifestyle? ie could've been "fixed" by going to the gym, treating acne, showering regularly?
If yes, then plastic surgery to mitigate your appearance might've helped, eg if you had a giant facial tumor, removing it would've probably would've made a difference.
Seeing as you aged into your looks (ie no giant facial tumor or whatever), your dating issues at 21 probably weren't exclusively due to your appearance.
Maybe not in the bottom 5%, and I didn't have anything like facial tumors or bad hygiene, but I was still pretty damn nasty-looking. Case in point. I got rated 3.7 on FaceTheJury.com, and 3.2 on HotOrNot.com. While the aforementioned friend got a 7.1, on FaceTheJury only. (Out of 10 for both.) And numbers don't lie. Either way, girls were taking off their clothes within hours of meeting him, while stone cold sober.
I actually contemplated bringing my friend's photo, printed off of Facebook, to the consultation with the surgeon. But decided against it, thinking it might actually be creepy. Instead, I just let the doctor play with the software until I liked the photo. Speaking of which, he was highly advertised on the radio at the time, so I guess I trusted him not to do a botch job.
Maybe not in the bottom 5%, and I didn't have anything like facial tumors or bad hygiene, but I was still pretty damn nasty-looking. Case in point. I got rated 3.7 on FaceTheJury.com, and 3.2 on HotOrNot.com. While the aforementioned friend got a 7.1, on FaceTheJury only. (Out of 10 for both.) And numbers don't lie. Either way, girls were taking off their clothes within hours of meeting him, while stone cold sober.
I actually contemplated bringing my friend's photo, printed off of Facebook, to the consultation with the surgeon. But decided against it, thinking it might actually be creepy. Instead, I just let the doctor play with the software until I liked the photo. Speaking of which, he was highly advertised on the radio at the time, so I guess I trusted him not to do a botch job.
A 3.7 on a scale of 10 puts you squarely in the slightly less than average attractiveness category. Your friend's 7.1 puts him squarely in the slightly above average attractiveness category.
Neither of you are in the six standard deviations from the mean end of the attractiveness (note: neither is 99.99999999999% of the human race), so pure physical appearance is unlikely to be why girls were peeling off their panties at the mere sight of your buddy. I'm guessing the friend is charismatic or funny or charming or has a way of putting people, including girls at ease.
It's also notable that you hated yourself and thought you were ugly at 21 but had gotten comfy with your looks by 32. Getting over hating yourself probably helped too.
It's also notable that you hated yourself and thought you were ugly at 21 but had gotten comfy with your looks by 32. Getting over hating yourself probably helped too.
I don't know what he did to put girls at ease. He was pretty rude and obnoxious, especially to his friends with benefits. He was also one of the most financially irresponsible people I met. Basically, he was a jerk. Oh wait...
I still say it's his looks. I tried asking him to tell me what he does to get girls, but always refused point-blank. Or he'd tell me something so outlandish (like "go in public shirtless", and I have some flab), that I knew he was lying.
But I digress. We're not here to discuss a dude who I haven't spoken to in 10 years. But he did inspire me to consider plastic surgery. Which could have helped tremendously. Or slightly. Or not at all. Hence, this thread. Also, I don't think it's me "getting comfy with my looks". It's actually aging into them. My basic appearance has not changed. But what was hideously ugly for a 21-year-old, is halfway-decent-looking for a 32-year-old.
It's also notable that you hated yourself and thought you were ugly at 21 but had gotten comfy with your looks by 32. Getting over hating yourself probably helped too.
I don't know what he did to put girls at ease. He was pretty rude and obnoxious, especially to his friends with benefits. He was also one of the most financially irresponsible people I met. Basically, he was a jerk. Oh wait...
I still say it's his looks. I tried asking him to tell me what he does to get girls, but always refused point-blank. Or he'd tell me something so outlandish (like "go in public shirtless", and I have some flab), that I knew he was lying.
But I digress. We're not here to discuss a dude who I haven't spoken to in 10 years. But he did inspire me to consider plastic surgery. Which could have helped tremendously. Or slightly. Or not at all. Hence, this thread. Also, I don't think it's me "getting comfy with my looks". It's actually aging into them. My basic appearance has not changed. But what was hideously ugly for a 21-year-old, is halfway-decent-looking for a 32-year-old.
Are you willing to post a pic? Having a hard time imagining what awful at 21 but fine by 32 looks like.
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