First ever GF, please advice
I'm almost 30 and just started my first ever relationship. So far there's a few skeletons in my closet I haven't revealed to her yet:
1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
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She's Taiwanese. I was raised in New Zealand, but not really that kiwi (can't get into rugby, for starters)
The below is a sweeping generalization, please no one gets offended (especially you Ms. police Yippy)...
- In Asian/Eastern cultures, Virginity is less shame there, many are even vocal of preferring virgin men, so this might be good for you.
- for a large portion of women there, a man's career is fundamental for partner choice.
Does she know of your job situation? or do you think she's getting a wrong impression in her head on that?
- If you are officially diagnosed as autistic then you should tell her; otherwise, you would sound silly then forget it, keep the secret till you're on the deathbed.
Congrats on your new relationship!
Firstly, being inexperienced in relationships is nothing to be ashamed of. I'm sure she fell for you based on your personality- so just relax and let the other things happen naturally.
Secondly, spend more time with her before your bring up the career debacle that you are in. I think it is important that you show her that you are ambitious to change your career to something more suited to you and you are prepared to work hard for it. I think that is all that matters. Girls always appreciate ambition and effort.
Thirdly, only tell her you are autistic when you are comfortable to do so. It could be now, or it could be later when she has gotten to know you better so she is able to see the real you instead of some diagnosis.
Hope this helps!
1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
Yay on the relationship! My advice is to be yourself, as it's gotten you this far and also:
1. You don't have to tell her she's your first girlfriend out of the blue but do tell her the truth if she asks. The being a virgin thing? No need to bring it up until you're at the talking about having sex phase (and, against, don't offer up that info but be truthful if she asks).
2. Disclosure's your call entirely. I don't disclose right when I start dating somebody but usually do once it gets to the exclusive dating phase. If the guy's gonna bail because I'm an Aspie, I'd prefer he do so sooner rather than later.
3. Lots of people change careers, go back to school or have premature midlife crises about their careers, so this is no biggie. You live on your own, are gainfully employed, yes? Then angering about what you want to be when you grow up is pretty normal.
There's no way to minimize the risk of rejection. Being in a relationship, a reciprocal one, requires being vulnerable and hoping your affection is returned.
Good luck!!
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1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
Yay on the relationship! My advice is to be yourself, as it's gotten you this far and also:
1. You don't have to tell her she's your first girlfriend out of the blue but do tell her the truth if she asks. The being a virgin thing? No need to bring it up until you're at the talking about having sex phase (and, against, don't offer up that info but be truthful if she asks).
2. Disclosure's your call entirely. I don't disclose right when I start dating somebody but usually do once it gets to the exclusive dating phase. If the guy's gonna bail because I'm an Aspie, I'd prefer he do so sooner rather than later.
3. Lots of people change careers, go back to school or have premature midlife crises about their careers, so this is no biggie. You live on your own, are gainfully employed, yes? Then angering about what you want to be when you grow up is pretty normal.
There's no way to minimize the risk of rejection. Being in a relationship, a reciprocal one, requires being vulnerable and hoping your affection is returned.
Good luck!!
If he's starting to think to start anew, and even considering college again at this age then that means he's not 'gainfully' employed. He is considering that because he's struggling in the job market - and if he's currently employed, it's not giving much.
Cheers for the tips. I do have some saving that'll last me for some months. However, I was at the stage of rebuilding my life from scratch before I met her. Knowing I wouldn't be able to provide for her anytime soon is my biggest worry, but I guess I'll have to be convincing about my ambitions.
Any advice on the physical side of a relationship?
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1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
if you don't mind me asking, how did you meet her? because I haven't had a relationship either
1. Laugh together.
2. Do some special things that are a little different , experiences that you can have to share (check first they are OK)
3. Don`t get too intense too soon.
When you know her well enough perhaps exchange some confidences with each other, and when the time is right be honest about your difficulties (but don`t overplay them too much), hopefully, if she cares about you she will see this honesty as a real quality.
If not perhaps just settle for a fun, more companionate type of friendship.
But No.1 is have fun together, people like others who make them laugh
(don`t go too crazy too fast though, my partner has had too gradually learn to appreciate my particular sense of humour!!).
Good luck, and remember if it doesn`t work out in the longer term don`t worry, this is great a experience and could well make things a bit easier next time you find someone you get along well with.
Oh yeh. re the future and employment.. always be positive, have a plan. with some options to talk about if plan A. doesn`t work .......believe in it., believe in your ability to succeed.
Talk about your future in a positive way.
Re, the physical side. Well you will probably be a bit nervous, I always was, don`t let this put you off, She is probably nervous too.
Start slowly (even over a couple of meetings) if you are not sure then wait until each move is reciprocated a little before moving forward, Maybe let her make a move too?
I think warm eye contact is the sexiest thing of all. However if you are a bit aspie this maybe weird for you or even come across as too intense so don`t be starey be smart, be gentle.
a safe-ish place to initiate a friendly touch in a friendly (non sexual) way is the side of the upper arm, its not too offensive. once or twice.
EG, if you are watching TV, why not sit close-ish. eg if your leg or arm is slightly touching hers, and then she moves away, that is a small sign to take your time, if your leg is slightly touching and she doesn`t withdraw then that is also a sign that she is comfortable, she is allowing you into her personal space. this is a great start.
watch for these tiny signs.
As for the rest, that`s part of the thrill! but gentle kiss to begin ... let her lead? then take your time with gentle very soft strokes often gets the mood started.
1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
if you don't mind me asking, how did you meet her? because I haven't had a relationship either
We were introduced through a family friend. She was asked to show me around because I was new in town. Our first day was awkward (hrs spent driving aimlessly because the GPS bailed on us) but we enjoyed each other's company so much, she agreed to go out with me again.
Talk about your future in a positive way.
Re, the physical side. Well you will probably be a bit nervous, I always was, don`t let this put you off, She is probably nervous too.
Start slowly (even over a couple of meetings) if you are not sure then wait until each move is reciprocated a little before moving forward, Maybe let her make a move too?
I think warm eye contact is the sexiest thing of all. However if you are a bit aspie this maybe weird for you or even come across as too intense so don`t be starey be smart, be gentle.
a safe-ish place to initiate a friendly touch in a friendly (non sexual) way is the side of the upper arm, its not too offensive. once or twice.
EG, if you are watching TV, why not sit close-ish. eg if your leg or arm is slightly touching hers, and then she moves away, that is a small sign to take your time, if your leg is slightly touching and she doesn`t withdraw then that is also a sign that she is comfortable, she is allowing you into her personal space. this is a great start.
watch for these tiny signs.
As for the rest, that`s part of the thrill! but gentle kiss to begin ... let her lead? then take your time with gentle very soft strokes often gets the mood started.
Thank you for the pointers. I'd been pessimistic about my occupation for too long, I need to start focusing on the opportunities instead.
So far she's comfortable leaning against me when we're on a sofa. Will make progress in the next date.
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The hardest part is starting anew; forget about the sex and autism.
Going back to college means that you have to quit your current job to do college - not sure if you have night university in your area.
And that would take you 3 years at least and it would not be guaranteed that you would start with a good income from the very start after you graduate, and you would have paid a lot of your savings already or getting debts.
So you would not be able to marry her before 4-5 years at least (Generally, Asian cultures are very marriage-oriented).
Will she be ready to wait for you that long?
You would probably have to consider other options, like going for certifications or... I dunno, higher night education or something.
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1. Never had a relationship and sex
2. Am autistic (She currently attribute my verbal blunders to the fact I was brought up overseas)
3. My previous career choice was a failure, and want to start anew, even considering returning to school
I know in time I will have to bring these up, so how do I convey them in a way that I could minimise the risk of rejection?
Also the whole make out/touching thing - please help. I can hold her hands but anymore it's alien territory. Cheers!
if you don't mind me asking, how did you meet her? because I haven't had a relationship either
We were introduced through a family friend. She was asked to show me around because I was new in town. Our first day was awkward (hrs spent driving aimlessly because the GPS bailed on us) but we enjoyed each other's company so much, she agreed to go out with me again.
ya I bet you wish you met her 5 or 6 years ago at least
He's literally just started seeing this girl -- worrying about marriage at this early stage is putting the cart well before the horse!
I'd also hold off on the assumptions about Asian cultures' attitudes towards marriage, as they matter a whole lot less than this specific girl's attitude and expectations of marriage. A convo that can probably be held a few months from now, assuming they're still happily coupled up. For all he knows, maybe she's vehemently anti-matrimony.
Since this relationship is brand new and thus not yet serious, OP should do whatever he pleases and was planning on doing career-wise and returning-to-college-wise, pre-meeting this girl. If (and it's a big if at this point, since they barely know each other) the relationship becomes together forever-like serious, it's time to discuss and jointly plan a way forwards... because there are so very many possible options!
Maybe the girl has a well-paid job or a trust fund and can easily support both of them while he returns to school. Maybe both of them working, albeit he in a sub-optimal job, for a few years to save the $ to pay his tuition's the way to go. Maybe she's fine with being broke for the 3-4 years it'll take him to retrain (there are plenty of married but really broke 26 yo grad students; actually, that's probably the case for most married 26 yo grad students!).
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