Bad luck streak with females?
The sad thing is when I think in the positive something bad usually happens.
When I think in the negative bad things STILL happen to me.
When I ignore and think nothing's wrong (neutral) something f*cking goes wrong.
This has just always made me stressed and on-edge regarding relationships, as no matter what I think something happens.
Every failure has either been because I don't know why or hasn't actually been my fault whatsoever.
The first girl, I did everything right, she just wasn't interested and 'only saw me as a friend', and wasn't interested in dating 'anyone' at the time. She changes her mind about a week later, she falls for a male friend even though she said she wasn't interested in dating anynone to me and this male friend is now her f*cking fiance (technically, but I don't take their little proposal seriously because 1. their SEVENTEEN 2. It's f•cking marriage 3. It took them 6 weeks to kiss, less than 3 months to become engaged, which is absolutely ludicrous).
The second was a hateful and intolerant person, which is sad considering she was such a nice girl. She can't 'deal with most people', unforutnately she just found me too annoying I think. She dislikes me but oh apparently she 'dislikes "everyone"'. Not just this, but her horrible ex wouldn't stop trying to get back together with her, even going so far as to get her sent to the school psychiatrist and claiming she was a suicidal psychopath, etc. She was also going through a lot of other dark drama at the time.
The third one liked me back at first but then decided to only be friends because she felt we're too smiliar. To be honest, I felt uncomfortable as well being so similar, but still.
Strange she didn't pick it up that we were similar when she had a crush on me. I did talk to her all the time and you'd have to be blind as a bat not to see this guy had 'a lot' in common with her. I think she just b•llshitted me with a weak excuse 'we're too similar I need guy different because I like to "discover" them I believe in opposites attract" oh really? Yet you were really so blind to see I was nowhere near your opposite when we both liked each other?
The fourth, my first girlfriend, initially broke up with me due to 'only wanting to be friends' and I accidentally mentioned sex early, and she feels very strongly about these things. I didn't even say I wanted it, in fact I clearly said I didn't, but also said 'that will happen when it happens. Maybe a month, two, maybe much longer.' She misinterpreted my words.
We ended up getting back together but made too many mistakes in one night. My mother made me bring condoms to her house, not my own choice. I accidentally pressured her to take her clothes off, not naked, but just shirt and shorts. She would have still had her underwear on and still did. The problem was, being the aspie I am, I didn't realize she was uncomfortable. She was also giving me mixed signals earlier. I would try and tickle her or touch her in certain ways and she would say 'no', but then ask me 'why did you stop?' whenever I did. What can I say? I thought she was doing the same thing. Either way, I apologized immediately when I got home, and she lead me to believe i was forgiven.
She lead me on for 5 more days before dumping me again because she 'lost her feelings for me' again. Frustrated, I complained in anger to friends that I was dumped yet again.
She found out and for the next few weeks/month, every time she'd see me she'd ask about it. I did not lie, I did not deny it. I just said I went to friends for advice, much like how every time she had an issue with me she went to her mother, friends, etc. and she hypocritically criticised me for it.
She also got a new boyfriend just 3 days after breaking up with me. I did not accuse her of cheating, nor did I call her a 'sl•t', but asked if she did. There is no appropriate time nor place to ask, it's just something that, if you're going to ask, you do it. Either way she again misinterpreted my words and made me out to be a bad guy, especially by, you guessed it, accusing me of calling her that disgusting word.
Finally, it reached a breaking point where, annoying me as usual with her questions regarding me going to my friends for advice, I started to be a smart-alec towards her because I was sick of her asking and just wanted to let it go. She yelled personal, private information regarding her and my relationship publicly, I did the same back and yelled at her to 'F•ck up' two times.
The fifth girl decided she only saw me as a friend.
My second and current girlfriend, who I've been with for nearly one month in 4 days, things seem to be going fine. But once again I'm worried/stressed something will happen to f*ck this up as well. And the sad part is, it doesn't matter if I think positive, negative or ignore it.
Thinking positive makes me blindly ignorant of issues and sets me up to fall hard, thinking negative usually makes accurate predictions of negative events, and thinking neutrally usually results in something bad anyway.
What can I do to overcome this constant failure?
Well, firstly, you say that you've tried being positive/negative/neutral about your relationships and you say you're having a bad luck streak with females, yet you've been thriving in a month-long relationship with one. Break-ups and unrequited love are things that happen all the time, especially in teenage/young adult years whilst we and our peers are still formulating our identities. You say that no matter how you approach your relationships mentally, they still always end, but the one you're in currently is still going fine. And anyway, unless you're planning to marry/spend the rest of your life with your partner, your relationship will have to end at some stage, right?
I guess my advice would be to discard one-track thinking altogether and just see the situation for what it is. A good first step would be to identify why you're afraid your current girlfriend will break up with you. If it's because you're afraid of the past repeating itself, you need to realise that this is an entirely different relationship from your previous, and it's thus unreasonable to expect the same outcome based on the past.
I think you should air your fears to her. This way, whatever her response, you'll be able to put your mind at ease. She's meant to be your girlfriend after all, so you should be able to entrust her with such information, and come to resolutions about any issues that may be lingering on either side of your relationship. If she tells you she isn't thinking of ending it, you can put your mind at ease. If she tells you she wants to end it, at least you'll get the truth as opposed to being strung along.
But you sound like a jerk and may wanna work on that. You were so far over the line pressuring the ex to take off her clothes on a day when your mum forced you to take condoms to her house, calling her a slut for dating somebody else after she dumped you and seething at girls who refuse to date you but happily date other dudes. Oh, and yelling their private info in public.
Keep up this behavior and no girl at your school will ever date you, as she'll know what a jerk you really are!
Read it again. I misinterpreted her behavior and immediately apologized, she actually told me I was forgiven so long as I don't do it again, but kept bringing it up and clearly remained angry at me over it. She yelled private, personal information first, I gave her a taste of her own medicine. I did not call her that word, she claimed I did when I said no such thing.
I'm not trying to make myself out to be 'the good guy' and never believed I was. I know I've made plenty of mistakes in this previous relationship, but so has she.
If it helps, she has a learning difficulties and a mental disability. It was predicted her functioning was so low she wouldn't have been capable of graduating the 12th grade, but she did. She's gotten into a lot of problems with other people at the group we both hung out with due to her misinterpreting their words. Some at the group even outright hated her. In fact, now that I think about it, many, many other students did. In general she behaves quite rudely, swears like a sailor, inconsiderate and unempathetic to the feelings of others. Very much not afraid to insult you or put you down just to be spiteful.I guess my advice would be to discard one-track thinking altogether and just see the situation for what it is. A good first step would be to identify why you're afraid your current girlfriend will break up with you. If it's because you're afraid of the past repeating itself, you need to realise that this is an entirely different relationship from your previous, and it's thus unreasonable to expect the same outcome based on the past.
I think you should air your fears to her. This way, whatever her response, you'll be able to put your mind at ease. She's meant to be your girlfriend after all, so you should be able to entrust her with such information, and come to resolutions about any issues that may be lingering on either side of your relationship. If she tells you she isn't thinking of ending it, you can put your mind at ease. If she tells you she wants to end it, at least you'll get the truth as opposed to being strung along.
Well, I've already made a few mistakes.
Just, I freaked out when she asked for space but it didn't mean anything wrong apparently, just that she usually requires large amount of alone time (it's been 9 days since I've seen her, in fact) and also ended up pressuring her for a first kiss the third time we met up (again, a mistake from the past. This time however, I realized far more quickly she was saying no and accepted it and apologized. She also didn't lie about forgiving me).
Maybe it's a bad thing, but I have spoken of my ex and her actions and the current gf was shocked she would do such things. I didn't lie or twist the story either, I was honest. The current gf found it particularly odd the ex broke up with me once, then got back together and did it once again.
Anyway, seems no matter how much the current gf tells me everything's okay, and everything's fine, I feel like it's not and think up all kinds of negative scenarios in my head, like she decides to only see me as a friend (something that's happened four times now), or I made too many mistakes (happened once).
Either way, it really doesn't help that this new gf requires so much alone time. She's not even an aspie or anything but N.T. If I could see her again soon, it would at least remind me that everything's okay instead of spending my days always thinking about her but worried she doesn't care for me (which has happened four times now).
Tried messaging her but she rarely uses facebook and even if she saw it didn't respond, our last meetup we agreed she'd message me when she's ready...
So even if I think about 'what is' instead of 'what will be', I can't even think about what is.
Alright, I guess...it's been nearly a month, and in that amount of time I've hung out with her four times, and talking online here and there. Mistakes are natural in a relationship, and I annoyed her a little with too many messaging but she said she doesn't mind as long as it's not too much. Haven't seen her in 9 days but the fourth date went fine and she had a lot of fun. But, is the 9 days just her 'alone time' or is she actually using it for time to think as well. Time to think and contemplate her life, including current friendships and relationships. So, right now she could have already come to the descision she only wants to be friends and will tell me in real life, I could even be ghosted right now, or everything could be fine. Like I said, you're never sure if there is no current contact with the other person.
That's my attempt at positive thinking...I can only think about the past, or future, right now. And even if I think about the past and see the positives to remind myself everything will be okay in the future, it usually isn't (e.g. with previous females I'd think about their past behavior, but things will have changed by the time we reach the future).
Last edited by Outrider on 12 Dec 2015, 7:26 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Instead, he should continue enhancing the relationship through his contributions to it.
Is the avatar you, Outrider?
Yeah, it's me. Trying to look very 'dapper' in this photo.
When I think in the negative bad things STILL happen to me.
When I ignore and think nothing's wrong (neutral) something f*cking goes wrong.
This has just always made me stressed and on-edge regarding relationships, as no matter what I think something happens.
Every failure has either been because I don't know why or hasn't actually been my fault whatsoever.
The first girl, I did everything right, she just wasn't interested and 'only saw me as a friend', and wasn't interested in dating 'anyone' at the time. She changes her mind about a week later, she falls for a male friend even though she said she wasn't interested in dating anynone to me and this male friend is now her f*cking fiance (technically, but I don't take their little proposal seriously because 1. their SEVENTEEN 2. It's f•cking marriage 3. It took them 6 weeks to kiss, less than 3 months to become engaged, which is absolutely ludicrous).
The second was a hateful and intolerant person, which is sad considering she was such a nice girl. She can't 'deal with most people', unforutnately she just found me too annoying I think. She dislikes me but oh apparently she 'dislikes "everyone"'. Not just this, but her horrible ex wouldn't stop trying to get back together with her, even going so far as to get her sent to the school psychiatrist and claiming she was a suicidal psychopath, etc. She was also going through a lot of other dark drama at the time.
The third one liked me back at first but then decided to only be friends because she felt we're too smiliar. To be honest, I felt uncomfortable as well being so similar, but still.
Strange she didn't pick it up that we were similar when she had a crush on me. I did talk to her all the time and you'd have to be blind as a bat not to see this guy had 'a lot' in common with her. I think she just b•llshitted me with a weak excuse 'we're too similar I need guy different because I like to "discover" them I believe in opposites attract" oh really? Yet you were really so blind to see I was nowhere near your opposite when we both liked each other?
The fourth, my first girlfriend, initially broke up with me due to 'only wanting to be friends' and I accidentally mentioned sex early, and she feels very strongly about these things. I didn't even say I wanted it, in fact I clearly said I didn't, but also said 'that will happen when it happens. Maybe a month, two, maybe much longer.' She misinterpreted my words.
We ended up getting back together but made too many mistakes in one night. My mother made me bring condoms to her house, not my own choice. I accidentally pressured her to take her clothes off, not naked, but just shirt and shorts. She would have still had her underwear on and still did. The problem was, being the aspie I am, I didn't realize she was uncomfortable. She was also giving me mixed signals earlier. I would try and tickle her or touch her in certain ways and she would say 'no', but then ask me 'why did you stop?' whenever I did. What can I say? I thought she was doing the same thing. Either way, I apologized immediately when I got home, and she lead me to believe i was forgiven.
She lead me on for 5 more days before dumping me again because she 'lost her feelings for me' again. Frustrated, I complained in anger to friends that I was dumped yet again.
She found out and for the next few weeks/month, every time she'd see me she'd ask about it. I did not lie, I did not deny it. I just said I went to friends for advice, much like how every time she had an issue with me she went to her mother, friends, etc. and she hypocritically criticised me for it.
She also got a new boyfriend just 3 days after breaking up with me. I did not accuse her of cheating, nor did I call her a 'sl•t', but asked if she did. There is no appropriate time nor place to ask, it's just something that, if you're going to ask, you do it. Either way she again misinterpreted my words and made me out to be a bad guy, especially by, you guessed it, accusing me of calling her that disgusting word.
Finally, it reached a breaking point where, annoying me as usual with her questions regarding me going to my friends for advice, I started to be a smart-alec towards her because I was sick of her asking and just wanted to let it go. She yelled personal, private information regarding her and my relationship publicly, I did the same back and yelled at her to 'F•ck up' two times.
The fifth girl decided she only saw me as a friend.
My second and current girlfriend, who I've been with for nearly one month in 4 days, things seem to be going fine. But once again I'm worried/stressed something will happen to f*ck this up as well. And the sad part is, it doesn't matter if I think positive, negative or ignore it.
Thinking positive makes me blindly ignorant of issues and sets me up to fall hard, thinking negative usually makes accurate predictions of negative events, and thinking neutrally usually results in something bad anyway.
What can I do to overcome this constant failure?
For cryin out loud! You're only 17. You've already had a gf and you current have a gf. Realize that positive thinking is really NOT going to magically make things work out for you! Much of what happens in this area is beyond your control but the part that is in your control is affected by your words and deeds not your thoughts. This mind-over-matter BS belongs in the toilet. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That way when s**t happens you won't be so dismayed and disappointed. A little bit of cynicism goes a long way in this area of life.
I didn't have a gf at all until I was 19 years old and you're whining about how magical thinking doesn't affect reality? Grow up
When I think in the negative bad things STILL happen to me.
When I ignore and think nothing's wrong (neutral) something f*cking goes wrong.
This has just always made me stressed and on-edge regarding relationships, as no matter what I think something happens.
Every failure has either been because I don't know why or hasn't actually been my fault whatsoever.
The first girl, I did everything right, she just wasn't interested and 'only saw me as a friend', and wasn't interested in dating 'anyone' at the time. She changes her mind about a week later, she falls for a male friend even though she said she wasn't interested in dating anynone to me and this male friend is now her f*cking fiance (technically, but I don't take their little proposal seriously because 1. their SEVENTEEN 2. It's f•cking marriage 3. It took them 6 weeks to kiss, less than 3 months to become engaged, which is absolutely ludicrous).
The second was a hateful and intolerant person, which is sad considering she was such a nice girl. She can't 'deal with most people', unforutnately she just found me too annoying I think. She dislikes me but oh apparently she 'dislikes "everyone"'. Not just this, but her horrible ex wouldn't stop trying to get back together with her, even going so far as to get her sent to the school psychiatrist and claiming she was a suicidal psychopath, etc. She was also going through a lot of other dark drama at the time.
The third one liked me back at first but then decided to only be friends because she felt we're too smiliar. To be honest, I felt uncomfortable as well being so similar, but still.
Strange she didn't pick it up that we were similar when she had a crush on me. I did talk to her all the time and you'd have to be blind as a bat not to see this guy had 'a lot' in common with her. I think she just b•llshitted me with a weak excuse 'we're too similar I need guy different because I like to "discover" them I believe in opposites attract" oh really? Yet you were really so blind to see I was nowhere near your opposite when we both liked each other?
The fourth, my first girlfriend, initially broke up with me due to 'only wanting to be friends' and I accidentally mentioned sex early, and she feels very strongly about these things. I didn't even say I wanted it, in fact I clearly said I didn't, but also said 'that will happen when it happens. Maybe a month, two, maybe much longer.' She misinterpreted my words.
We ended up getting back together but made too many mistakes in one night. My mother made me bring condoms to her house, not my own choice. I accidentally pressured her to take her clothes off, not naked, but just shirt and shorts. She would have still had her underwear on and still did. The problem was, being the aspie I am, I didn't realize she was uncomfortable. She was also giving me mixed signals earlier. I would try and tickle her or touch her in certain ways and she would say 'no', but then ask me 'why did you stop?' whenever I did. What can I say? I thought she was doing the same thing. Either way, I apologized immediately when I got home, and she lead me to believe i was forgiven.
She lead me on for 5 more days before dumping me again because she 'lost her feelings for me' again. Frustrated, I complained in anger to friends that I was dumped yet again.
She found out and for the next few weeks/month, every time she'd see me she'd ask about it. I did not lie, I did not deny it. I just said I went to friends for advice, much like how every time she had an issue with me she went to her mother, friends, etc. and she hypocritically criticised me for it.
She also got a new boyfriend just 3 days after breaking up with me. I did not accuse her of cheating, nor did I call her a 'sl•t', but asked if she did. There is no appropriate time nor place to ask, it's just something that, if you're going to ask, you do it. Either way she again misinterpreted my words and made me out to be a bad guy, especially by, you guessed it, accusing me of calling her that disgusting word.
Finally, it reached a breaking point where, annoying me as usual with her questions regarding me going to my friends for advice, I started to be a smart-alec towards her because I was sick of her asking and just wanted to let it go. She yelled personal, private information regarding her and my relationship publicly, I did the same back and yelled at her to 'F•ck up' two times.
The fifth girl decided she only saw me as a friend.
My second and current girlfriend, who I've been with for nearly one month in 4 days, things seem to be going fine. But once again I'm worried/stressed something will happen to f*ck this up as well. And the sad part is, it doesn't matter if I think positive, negative or ignore it.
Thinking positive makes me blindly ignorant of issues and sets me up to fall hard, thinking negative usually makes accurate predictions of negative events, and thinking neutrally usually results in something bad anyway.
What can I do to overcome this constant failure?
For cryin out loud! You're only 17. You've already had a gf and you current have a gf. Realize that positive thinking is really NOT going to magically make things work out for you! Much of what happens in this area is beyond your control but the part that is in your control is affected by your words and deeds not your thoughts. This mind-over-matter BS belongs in the toilet. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. That way when s**t happens you won't be so dismayed and disappointed. A little bit of cynicism goes a long way in this area of life.
I didn't have a gf at all until I was 19 years old and you're whining about how magical thinking doesn't affect reality? Grow up
Exactly. I need to grow up. Because if I don't mature, won't these patterns just repeat themselves?
I don't believe the age you begin your first relationship is what matters, it's the quality.
And I won't be having healthy, quality relationships if I continue to have the attitude I have now.
So what's so bad about me trying to ask for some advice to overcome it?
But thank you for calling me a whiner, it's a real uplifter when every time I fail with the opposite sex, it's for the same reasons as the last time. That's a persistent issue I think many aspie males, even many here on this website, may be suffering.
If you don't want to make this thread about me and my whining, we could at least speak from a general point of view - what attitude/actions are necessary to be capable of overcoming negative patterns.
You've made a start - hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Not a bad suggestion, sir.
And cynicism can be a good thing, yes, because it doesn't set you up to fall hard. I agree and, usually thinking in the negative I almost always turn out to be right, meaning while still frustrated/upset, at least my prediction came true.
But isn't there anything else we can do to break patterns other than think in the negative?
I'd at least want to know a way to remove all this inner stress and turmoil I feel because I always feel I've stuffed up or something will go wrong.
Do you know anyway sir I could distract myself? I don't know, and that's why I'm here.
For some reason, I don't feel this stress as much with friendships. I'm not sure why that is.
It is best to not become emotionally attached with someone until you have been dating for over six months, it sounds like you are falling too fast..
That probably has a lot to do with it. I fall too hard, too quickly to the point I fear failure, because I know that if I do fail, it usually hits me like a brick.
To clarify to anyone here who thinks I believe my relationship will last forever, I do not. I know realistically things may, and probably will not last, but I'd like to at least enjoy the ride. I think that's the point of most relationships - enjoy the ride and if things last, then they last. But I'm incapable of doing even that.
Maybe I'm just an obsessive, hormone driven teen so I won't understand, but how do adults do it?
When will all my emotions in my life settle down? It's not just love I'm obsessed with, of course it's all the typical flurry of emotions that affect my descisions and life - aggression, sadness, depression, impulsivity, etc.
This is probably why having a relationship as a teenager is so difficult, brief and meaningless - because it's two out-of-control teens.
I don't say this to sound irresponsible or immature, I know I made a mistake that night with the first gf.
Either way, I'm too stubborn to agree with anyone who will argue that I'm 'not ready for a relationship'.
The question is, how would I ever be ready if I have a fear of them? I don't want to cower and end things, break a girl's heart just to end up lonely and miserable myself if it means I can have time to 'think'. I've had enough alone time in life to myself to 'think' and still do experience loneliness every day. I'd rather face things and learn to chill-out. The truth is regardless of how much I stress out during a relationship, I feel much happier in life with one or at least having friends in my life.
I don't suppose you've ever heard of "perseverance" before?
One of my favorite quotes involving perseverance is "Perseverance in the face of adversity.", another one that I like is "Anything worth having is worth fighting for." that one was by Thomas Jefferson.
I suppose the point that I'm trying to make is that if you fight hard enough, long enough for something, no matter the odds stacked against you, then your going to start seeing results.
If it wasn't your fault, then it wasn't your fault. Why dwell on it?
When I was a teenager I had a lot of Girlfriends, all the guys I knew did, and unbeknownst to them, a lot of their Girlfriends had a lot of Boyfriends. It was though everyone had deluded themselves into think their partner was loyal, while they were free to do whatever with whomever. The silliness of youth.
I've only ever had three monogamous Girlfriends in my entire life, and they'll most likely be the last, so I may not be the best person to give relationship advice of this nature, but here goes.
It is universally accepted and understood that teenagers, young adults, won't completely know their own feelings, needs and wants. You're relationships are yo-yoing, and you don't know whether your coming, or going with some girls. They'll say one thing and mean another, and all too often their actions will run counter to their actuall feelings.
This is all perfectly normal, just one of life's cruel little jokes at our expense.
From their perspective, we're equally baffling, though at least modern media gives them a rough idea of what men are after, though more often than not, teenage girls tend to be more curious about sex than boys. If only because we get to perform a trial run self-demo with greater and more fulfilling ease, or least that's what I've been lead to believe.
What you're going through isn't a "streak of bad luck" it's a rite of passage, one that every young person has to go through. However, that doesn't mean that you should give up and wait until your older, the relationships you form no matter how temporal, will serve as foundation and build blocks by which your future, and in turn more serious, relationships will be founded on. That isn't to say that you shouldn't invest in relationships now, you should definitely try to make a relationship work. Rather it means that if a relationship does go sour, you have to question why it went wrong, not to salvage this relationship, but so you'll learn from it, and better prepare yourself for the next one.
At least that's my opinion on the matter.
_________________
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, but the last step on the path to salvation.
I don't suppose you've ever heard of "perseverance" before?
One of my favorite quotes involving perseverance is "Perseverance in the face of adversity.", another one that I like is "Anything worth having is worth fighting for." that one was by Thomas Jefferson.
I suppose the point that I'm trying to make is that if you fight hard enough, long enough for something, no matter the odds stacked against you, then your going to start seeing results.
If it wasn't your fault, then it wasn't your fault. Why dwell on it?
When I was a teenager I had a lot of Girlfriends, all the guys I knew did, and unbeknownst to them, a lot of their Girlfriends had a lot of Boyfriends. It was though everyone had deluded themselves into think their partner was loyal, while they were free to do whatever with whomever. The silliness of youth.
I've only ever had three monogamous Girlfriends in my entire life, and they'll most likely be the last, so I may not be the best person to give relationship advice of this nature, but here goes.
It is universally accepted and understood that teenagers, young adults, won't completely know their own feelings, needs and wants. You're relationships are yo-yoing, and you don't know whether your coming, or going with some girls. They'll say one thing and mean another, and all too often their actions will run counter to their actuall feelings.
This is all perfectly normal, just one of life's cruel little jokes at our expense.
From their perspective, we're equally baffling, though at least modern media gives them a rough idea of what men are after, though more often than not, teenage girls tend to be more curious about sex than boys. If only because we get to perform a trial run self-demo with greater and more fulfilling ease, or least that's what I've been lead to believe.
What you're going through isn't a "streak of bad luck" it's a rite of passage, one that every young person has to go through. However, that doesn't mean that you should give up and wait until your older, the relationships you form no matter how temporal, will serve as foundation and build blocks by which your future, and in turn more serious, relationships will be founded on. That isn't to say that you shouldn't invest in relationships now, you should definitely try to make a relationship work. Rather it means that if a relationship does go sour, you have to question why it went wrong, not to salvage this relationship, but so you'll learn from it, and better prepare yourself for the next one.
At least that's my opinion on the matter.
Thanks for the positive words. This is how I should be seeing it and just need to chill-out.
"Go with the flow, Sir.
And don't call college/university aged girls "ma'am." A few might like it--but most don't. Wait until someone is 25 (if then!)
Unless that happens to be a custom in Australia."
Nah, that's just my thing. Maybe I should reserve my use of it. I do it as a sign of respect of course.
There's not many alternatives. Sir is gender neutral technically, but traditionally male. A woman could be a Miss or Mrs. if you don't know them. Calling a 40-50 year old woman miss for example seems awkward to me. Also, plenty of women prefer Ms. over miss and may take offense to being called 'miss'.
To me, ma'am solves all those issues - it's exclusively female, across all ages and doesn't feel awkward to me. Outdated, I'll admit. But classic? indeed. I'm actually quite fond of '50s and '80s-esque slang. Ma'am, dapper, gay old time, 'totally radical', etc. weird combination.
Eh, you could say that I am. In a way. But whatever success I have relationship-wise is the result of far more failures.
I know, some aspie males who struggle with relationships might see me and think 'lucky kid's had two girlfriends by 17, what's he complaining about' but fact is I've faced about 40 rejections throughout high school. 40 rejections for 2 girlfriends, one being a terrible, short relationship. That's a 1.5% success rate to a 98.5% failure rate (1 good, healthy relationship = 40 x 1.5% = 1).
So unless I develop the ability to have healthy relationships, I'd say this number would stay the same well into adulthood.
LOL...Dapper comes from the 19th century, perhaps even the 18th, and is British.
Totally Radical comes from a totally different time and place. It only really became popular outside of surfer culture in the 1980s. It's American. It became "rad" after a while.
LOL....Don't get yourself into the habit of trying to sound like a "Valley Person/Girl."
You're right: no woman likes to be called "miss."
It's really a hard question as it relates to women under 35. But ma'am really isn't that great. Ms. is only used formally, so you don't presume that someone is either married or single. Maybe just call her by her name? Or if you know her well, "Sweetie" or something like that.
Similar Topics | |
---|---|
Still not much luck after 17 years |
30 Nov 2024, 9:52 pm |
What am I doing wrong to explain less luck with dating? |
17 Dec 2024, 7:09 pm |
Males, Females, Bears, Humans |
31 Oct 2024, 1:12 pm |