Amount of effort required for men to be appealing

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Why does a man have to workout constantly on his body at the gym to look 'good' whereas all a woman has to do is not overeat and just be relatively slim?

A man does not have to work out constantly to look 'good'.

What you put as 'just be relatively slim' is a wee bit harder than you're making it sound, not to mention the various beauty standards and demands women are confronted with.

Glad we cleared that up.

Sperm is cheap; eggs and pregnancies are expensive. Therefore, females are much pickier than males, which, in other words, means females are attractive by default, while males aren't. Male attractiveness has to be earned.

Spiderpig said, "Females are attractive by default, while males aren't."

I don't believe anyone looking for a true partner is overly fussed about a man being absolutely shredded. Anyone who does is just shallow.

Women don't have to be overly slim either. Just not obese.

Ha ha! What the hell??

Women have to remove nearly all of their body hair on a regular basis, often by pulling it out by the root. All men have to do is shave their face each morning, and even then beards are in fashion, so you just have to trim it every-so-often.

Women are expected to style their hair in an attractive manner, and that hair is often expected to be long. Men usually have short hair that they can wash, dry and style relatively quickly.

Men don't have to wear any makeup at all. Women apply several layers. There's contouring and eyeliner and eyeshadown and lipstick and on and on. And... it's expensive. You have to spend 0 dollars on makeup.

Women and men can expend the same amount of energy at the gym for looks, so that's not really an argument, as Hopper said, there is more to it than just not eating. Also, who wants to not eat. I'd rather eat what I want and burn it off through exercise.

Top tips for being attractive. Eat healthily, it will make your skin happier. Keep your hair neat and tidy. Exercise because it's good for your health rather than for what you look like. If you take care of yourself and keep your body health you will feel better about yourself. Oh, and don't expect anyone to find a man in joggers attractive. Just yuck.

disclaimer.... not all women do all the stuff I listed, but I've listed things that the media expect us to do and it's what shallow men want.

Seriously?! See, now you're just being insulting!

Do you have any idea the amount of effort that goes into the average woman's appearance? Or the amount of pressure on girls to look attractive? Women agonize over their looks, a lot of them develop eating disorders (partially for this reason). I'm a relatively low-maintenance girl who is fortunate to be naturally slender, and yet I still put way more effort into my looks than any guy I know. I spend an hour each morning putting on make-up/getting dress/and tidying my hair. Showering at the end of the day takes another hour because in addition to the regular shampoo/soap routine I spend a considerable amount of time shaving my legs, exfoliating, applying moisturizer, trimming nails, taking off makeup, blow drying, and so many other things I can't even go into right now. And just because I am naturally slim, doesn't mean that I don't have to work to keep my shape, or that I don't struggle with self-criticisms in this department. For those who are not the "ideal" weight it's a lot more difficult than you make it seem, to get the weight off.

Honestly, this just makes my blood boil!
I hope you will reconsider your ill-conceived stance.

I don't personally think men need to go through all that. In my opinion a man needs to try to be healthy, take care of himself by eating good foods, working out for fitness, bathing regularly, wearing clean and presentable clothing, and taking care of his hair and teeth. So many do not do those things.

I don't expect anything from a guy that I don't already do myself. Sorry, but I will not date anyone who smells bad, is unhygienic, sloppy, or uncaring about personal health or fitness.

Health and fitness are closely related. Those who remain physically fit will often have stronger minds into old age, live longer, and be youthful and active longer into old age. Plus it decreases the risk of many diseases.

And also I put effort into having a strong, fit, muscular and healthy body. I expect the same from anyone I would date.

And I enjoy athletic as well as academic activities. The guy would need to be able to keep up with me.

Even if men have less work to do, I'd rather not dismiss the fact that men also have to work on their appearance and hygiene.

Men:
-Deodorant
-Shaving beard hair
-Leg hair if you're an athlete
-Pubic hair as some women may not like it.
- Comb your head hair.
- Wear good clothes
- Work-out
- Eat healthy
- Cologne
- Toothbrush
- Mouthwash/mint

Also, fact of the matter is, more young boys and men are becoming more hygienic. Back when I was at school a lot of the other dudes put all sorts of gels in their hair, used moisturizers on their face and skin, etc. to have an extremely polished and smooth look.

Also, most male actors DO have to wear kinds of makeup. Usually just concealer and/or foundation, but it's not like men are exempt from it if they have to look good.

Men have to try and have a good posture and confident, upright walk.

Women hygiene:

- Wear good clothes
- Eat healthy
- POSSIBLY have to exercise. If she's a young woman she won't gain weight easily due to fast metabolism, and isn't expected to have to have muscle anyway. If she's 30 or older would probably have to exercise to keep from gaining weight in fat. She can gain muscle if she chooses to do so, though there is far less pressure by society.
- makeup
- moisturizers
- Shaving a variety of places.
- Deodorant
- Perfume
- Toothbrush
- Mouthwash/mint
- Comb head hair/maintain it. Harder because it's longer.

For women, a confident walk really isn't as important. So many females I see are perfectly comfortable walking with arms crossed and/or head down and it doesn't look any less attractive tbh.

I think the only reason it seems like women have more work is simply because some males get away with much more, but most males usually have almost just as much work to do.

I do know plenty of males in my family and friends that put far less effort into their appearance and hygiene, but I honestly find it a little disgusting that some males could care so little - I do have friends that almost rarely ever shower, don't shave their large beards, don't brush their teeth, etc.

I know I'm a straight male but even if I was a woman I'd easily be disgusted by their habits.

Maybe about 30 years ago males could have the unhygienic, unkempt look and get away with it - but things have changed now.

Those males who don't care anymore are usually considered less attractive now in the first place.

Truthfully, lots of times, I don't find that women need all that much makeup--if any at all.

I've seen many attractive women who might only wear eyeliner, or nothing at all.

I understand the ordeal some women have to go through as compared to men. All I have to do is shave my face. I would never shave my pubic hair. I don't think women should, either, actually.

I make sure I'm clean throughout the day--both in body and in clothes.

I wish my wife would just cut her hair--but she insists on having either a wig or a weave because she doesn't like her natural hair. That's unfortunate. It's probably a societal/racial thing (she's of African descent). She thinks she has "bad" hair because it's not straight or curly naturally.

My wife insists on wearing makeup. I don't actually think she needs to wear ANY at all! And I've told her that, too. She disagrees, though.

Well over half of Americans are overweight or obese and 85% of us are or were married to a person of the opposite sex. Plus 15% are poor enough to be entitled to food stamps at any given time.

Clearly, folks who don't put much effort into their physical appearance or income level still date/marry... Jamesy's just plain wrong.