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Thoughts? (This post as been simplified to make room for as little misunderstanding as possible.)

Last edited by Seraphi_Grigori on 10 Aug 2016, 9:28 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Who the hell is "we?"

My opinion: make-up your own mind about "gender," and then hook-up with someone who shares your views. After that, mind your own business and don't try to force your opinions on others.

There is absolutely no science that "proves" all men think and act one way, and all women think and act another way. There are general tendencies, but that's all. The older I get, the less patience I have for people who are too weak-minded to live as individuals, and insist all of society must conform to their views in order for their own comfort.

I'm with XFilesGeek on this.

The human condition is too open-ended, too radically unfinished, to satisfactorily build a society that has a slot for everyone. A human of either (and indeed, neither) sex is not a sleek, uncomplicated machine, untroubled by contradiction and ambiguity and doubt. Attempts to map gender expectations onto biological sex only complicate the matter. And it is folly to take a statistical norm or trend and deem all act and think and feel in accordance with that trend - we wouldn't demand all not of average height somehow be average height, so why would we have such expectations of behaviour or character?

I think the thinking on gender (and sex, and indeed sexuality) is failing us. I'd like to see the day when we throw out gender expectations altogether. This is not so as to see everyone act the same - a fine strawman, there - but to allow people to flourish as they are, and not to yoke them to expectations or demands that only serve to make them miserable.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people for whom this is unthinkable - indeed, is their idea of hell, to take responsibility for their character and behaviour and desires and beliefs, preferring to look to some notion of the 'innate' upon which to pin them.

I'm a man. I've got the XY chromosomes, the genitals, the whole shebang. I've lost track of the number of times I've seen a fellow male project his desires onto men as a whole. 'Men want x', 'men prefer y', and so on, too cowardly to say 'I want x' or 'I prefer y'.

We should get rid of gender roles/stereotypes and just be ourselves.

I hate it when people make assumptions about me based on my gender. My gender is not relevant to my likes and dislikes, personality, tendencies... I am nothing like the stereotyical teenage girl, and I don't want people to think I am. It causes a lot of problems for me personally, when the people around me are constantly making mistakes about what I'm like before they even get to know me. -_-'

AHAHA, Perfect. Yes, this does indeed give me insight. I ask an open minded question about other peoples opinions on vague gender related questions (without expressing any opinions of my own) and immediately get a response from an angry feminist denying the existence of gender and trying as hard as possible to pretend that some one else's opinions have been forced upon her. Followed by 2 more similar responses, sheepishly following a fictional narrative imposed on my open minded question by some one quick on the assumptions. I do give some credit to the person who said they wish to someday see gender roles entirely vanish, as this at least shows some small understanding that I was seeking big picture, future of our species, type opinions. Yes, this small amount of mostly misguided feedback provides me with a large window of insights indeed. Thank you.

So, what you're saying is that this thread is a trap, set to confirm some belief that you have about gender. That's not what "open minded" means.

Ok. Hope it felt good. Reality is out here when you want to see it.

AHAHAHAHAHA, YES! Quite the trap. Even after I simplified my original post as much as possible, I still get some one come in, see my criticism of some one else misunderstanding my question, and then inferring that my original post which no longer exists except to ask "Thoughts about gender" Must therefore have been a trap. Of course, it couldn't possibly be the much more obvious explanation that multiple people became offended over a nonexistent insult and their outrageous assumptions led me to reply mockingly. Feminism must be divine, to so perfectly create false realities out of thin air.

Before any one reads this and continues this fallacy, I would kindly redirect you to my original post. I seek thoughts about gender, nothing else. I have my own opinions, which I have not shared even slightly. What I want to know is other peoples opinions, preferably in the context of the big picture for all of humanity. That's all. Please do not attempt to assume what my opinions are, either provide me with your own or don't. If I get one more post attempting to project the posters insecurities on ME, I might just die of laughter.

Why are you waving the feminist label so wildly? Because women expressed their opinions about your earlier phrasing? You haven't explicitly stated opinions(a bit cowardly imho), but the tone of your replies speak volumes.

I think gender is a non issue unless it's made into one through prejudice or stereotyping. A larger percentage of one sex or another may share tendencies, but no one should be boxed into any roles or expectations because of gender.

Last edited by MjrMajorMajor on 10 Aug 2016, 11:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

wat

idon;t know what the thread was about .i think you are wrong, .



on a side note ,nothing turns me on and gives me an instant boost more than a cruel angry hot older woman.
i mean.....damn. aahhhhhhhhhhh

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I don't buy into feminism, and I definitely don't think gender or gender roles should be thrown-out. To the contrary, there are meaningful gender differences that are NOT cultural, but biological. The problem instead is that our culture has defined gender in terms of NT preferences, and how gender works for them.

By saying that "I'm not like this... bla bla", you are not doing anybody a service. Psychiatry is thriving on turning every piece of human variation into disorders, and when people complain about gender, they are only fueling the acceptance of "gender identity disorder" (GID), which is a really sorry piece of sh*t.

A better approach to this is to actually find the gender traits related to neurodiversity, and then consider them as NORMAL human variation in gender.

Sephari, My hunch is that behind this new account is one of two people with more established accounts and opinions.

Hey cool, "Sephari" is an anagram of "Harpies" - did you plan that?

What exactly are these gender roles that we absolutely ought to stick to?

Nothing new that I've not already written about here several (even many) times. Women have a more active role in ND courtship, so the gender role of women as passive is not applicable to ND women. ND men will typically not approach women for a relationship, so the gender role of men as active initiators is not applicable to ND men. NT men will typically thrive in groups, and participate in group aggression, but ND males have no such preferences. There are many more examples like this, and most of them are linked to relationship roles one way or the other.