Autism and a sexual perception from a NT!
1)...The Question?
What kind of Sexual perception does
you sexual partner percieve of you?
2)...Statements provided by Ghosthunter,
Example provided by "Friend"!
Joined: Jun 07, 2005
Posts: 6
Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 9:21 am
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Ha! Now here is one to shock you all.
I am a 58 year old female NT who has just ended a
seven year solid relationship with a 34 year old male
Aspie.
Hmmmmm? Let's see??? My 1/2 Sister Kristen,
and from what I was told married and divorced
a 45 male! She was around 30, he was 45.
I was 24 and she was 37, I was 34 and she was
48 in the end of the relationship. I finally got my
stuff back 2 years later(took a long time and came
in a unaddressed to sender package.) HmmmmmM?
Fascinating!
So a older person relationship isn't unknown to me.
Hawn 58, not Aunt Bea. Not that I am as fantastic as GH.,
Hmmmmmm? It is hollywood and it's makeup artist. and a
bust tuck helped too! Every see her in the tabloids in
the "as they really look page", Hollywood is good
at making youth look eternal, but then you have the
"Pertnally young Justin Hayward of the Moody Blues,
and of course the mummified and still walking (well
preserved young) Dick Clark at 76. Hmmmmmm?
Makes you wonder!
genes on every level and have had no problem attracting
men ever, including now. I have always related well with
people of all ages, my problem is an overabundance of
empathy and a need to heal the world, thus I end up
Florence Nightingale of romance.
Sounds like my 10 year relationship. She was a lawyer
and every "I need help and you have good empathy"
client was attracted to her. She eventually retired as
a lawyer and now is inspiring young people as she
would of wanted to be inspired when she was younger
and in highschool!
looking for woman 35-55, with very nice sane ( other than
the age) wording, not the usual bs you see in personal ads.
Hmmmm? I always wondered how false those personal ads
realy were?
and we ended up in a 2 hr conversation. Like many Aspies
he was intellegent, very articulate and had seemingly rather
mature reasoning and understanding, while at the same
time a somewhat refreshing sort of naivety.
Yep! You hit it on the nail! Odd-relationship NT's are
attracted to Aspie/HFA types because of this nievity.
Even the more experienced ones have this perternal
youth of nievity. I being HFA, have gone through
the gay and straight sects of nievity, and can only
say that my nievity is only matched by my intuitive
intellect to master a situation, though it comes off
a bit juvenile to the female of 30-40.
By 30 the male is suppose to have this home and car
and "support" you attitude. and Oh! Ken is how they
are suppose to be in appearance! RIGHTTTTT!
UH-UH! NOPE! Nievity comes from within and that
is the charm of aspies and HFA's who sexually express
fire in the lack of external expression that is expected
in a NT male. All his fire is in his car, not his heart.
him I was not going to use him as a plaything for my ego,
I was looking for a long term permanent relationship.
Good objective to strive for!
in having children ever, his business was his children.
This was the foundation in my 10 year relationship. She has
done that, seen this, and hmmmmmm? Nice tasty empathy
fire seeks firey person of desire. It eventually became
a genuine relationship!~Ooops and 10 years later.
his extreme eye blinking and throat clearing was just temporary
nerves from first meeting. I was uncomfortable with the age
difference, but he wasn't bothered at all,
Of course not! It is easier to talk to one of your own kind,
or a older-seeking fire NT. Sex comes later because it doesn't see
barriers!
know I was his lady. Once upon reaching the intimate level he
broke down and weepingly poured out his heart to me his
difficulties in connecting, that he was a semi virgin til then
True! Intimacy is difficult if you can't express it, nor
have the strength to approach the opportunity.
and disappointments he suffered thru in his life.
A "Sex Therapist" is a bonafied profession. In the holistic
trade it is a licensed councelor who teaches sexual edicate.
And then there is the hooker.
Which one?
protect him and help him realize the life that he yearned
for. I thought to myself, everyone has baggage of some
sort, men my age think they are God's gift to themselves
and everyone else, at least it's refreshing to have
someone the opposite.
Isn't nievity great! The fire it contains is potent,
not...arrogant. It's sincereity flows freely.
"I am pist" flow is intense.
"I am happy" flow is Wooow! to the other partner
(just my opinion)
"I am in the void" energy is mystically unusual.
Only once during sex magic did I see myself through
her and actually saw my aura sense others feel.
It was like a void, infinite and always refreshed,
I believe this is where the sexual-autism fire comes
from, and NT are sometimes to attached to there
things they own and don't seem to possess this
fire of "within".
strange behavior patterns, and contrary elements that
all of you must be rather farmiliar with in some sort of
way without mentioning in detail, I begain to wonder what
I really got myself into.
I can relate, this is probly what she was thinking,
but if you play with matches you probly enjoy it's
fire, but not always. Too much of anything is bad.
of creating another terrible hurt for him to suffer. He was a
very kind, gentle and sensitive person who obviously had
problems that seemed somehow a glitch rather than
purposeful, and was unhappy and beating himself up about it.
I can see this! I am my worst enemy! and Beating myself
up is soooo!! easy!
research, finding a copy of the Am Psych Diagnostic Manual.
He fit all of the criteria, but still there was something more...
Wading around in the manual was fascinating, I was always
interested in what makes people tick. Then later, reading on
again I came across Asperger's and my jaw dropped! He is a
textbook example.
But remember there is also HFA, and PDD-NOS, so let's not
be hasty in pickiing words! Anyways go on....This is refreshiing
and intriguing!
was wondering if and how to broach it with him. I knew it
could be either good or bad depending on how to do it
correctly. Then I found this web site and managed to just
sneak in and got to a forum where you were all dicussing
with someone new just that.
Discussing what?
love me and are always telling me that I am wonderful for him,
that he has bloomed and become a new person because of me.
My grandmother didn't know about this other person, but
except that she was a lawyer and has done legal things
for my Grandmother.
One of my favorite lines was "Your not just the family lawyer,
(during those 10 years) you have experienced the family genes"
Chuckle! AND .....I meant it!
of Special Ed, I presented my findings to her and she agreed.
She said she had the same reaction when she first got the info.
However she says she thinks he is mild, not "full blown". I think
she is ostriching.
Hmmmmmm? slight dramatic pause.....!
In my opinion, most parents ostrich in one way
or another. Do you have kids? If so, then
you have probly done this too!
as important as how you deal with it, just like everything
else in life. I'm a real half full glass sort of a person;
• understand best you can,
• do the best that you can,
• accomodate
• don't browbeat
this relates to sexual, non-sexual, and work
relationships. The Autistic person is too!
sincere and easily vulnerable as I have
recently found out in Reno and known
most of my life. And this is why I need
to be careful in my next job selection.
think, as long as you don't hurt anyone. Anyway, we
both agreed that it would be best for her to approach
it to him.
Ok.....! and.....
[qutoe="friend"]
Only problem is, she never did. She just kept putting it
off, her method in which she approached his entire upbringing.
Ostrichitis at it's parenting level!
suddenly come to a head. After 7 years of my total love,
care and nurturing, he now has great confidence in himself.
Last November he went to his high school reunion and hit it
off with a girl that wouldn't give him the time of day back then.
They not only had great conversation, she was coming on to
him. He comes home that night and happily tells me all about
it and says maybe he would like to try her out.
Hmmmmm?
I was put in a opposite position. She needed time
for her dreams and goals after nuturing others.
She was suppose to meet me near bart, and never
showed up. After numerous calls to her, I got my
stuff back after 2 years of silence.
stay with me. He backs off, not understanding what
was wrong with the idea. I say people and relationships
are not like things, like your collections that you just
aquire because you want them, play with them a while
and then put them on a shelf when you see something
else and expect them to be there if you need them aqain.
I, in this reverse scenerio, wouldn't want anything to do
with her now. I was deeply hurt and didn't express
my sexuality for 5 years. Deeply wounded I retreated
into my darkness. It wasn't until WrongPlanet was I able
to discuss this. Thus thanks "friend" and WrongPlanet.
emotional disussions, I told him yesterday that I can't take it
any longer, he no longer has to make a decision. I have decided
for him that it truly is over. I have to get on with my life now, I
tried my best, now whatever comes his way he deserves it.
The hardest part is that it doesn't really heal. A sincere,
relationship cuts deeper than "Oooh! Baby! Oh!'ism".
Sincerely,
Ghosthunter
P.S....I say thankyou for letting me open up this wound of
silence. It may be deep, but it had to be expressed.
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3)...The Question Repeated!
What kind of Sexual perception does
you sexual partner percieve of you?
Joined: Mar 26, 2005
Posts: 331
Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 8:56 am
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There are all kinds of things I could say to this...
but not publically. Maybe when we talk in person.
Did I offend you? I think not and just some bloodletting.
So if I did! It was not intentional. This covers most of
1990-2000's adventures in silent areas. I am to
leave Reno more ghost free than when I came!
Sincerely,
Ghosthunter
Well GH, I am happy if my woeful tale helped you to express and deal with your past pain. True it never does really go away, but talking helps the easement.
However, even tho on the surface this all seems to be sexually orientated, and true, physical withdrawal is the obvious pain, I think there is more to this, at least in his case.
I think the strongest driving force of his betrayal of me is to prove something to himself and the world.
He was very much hurt and affected by peer rejection his whole life. I think all of the bullying and ridicule and humiliation has eaten away at him over the years. All of that time, all he wanted was to be accepted, wanted and liked. Now he feels confident that he has learned and can do it. He has to prove to himself that he can.
It may be related to the AS that he is so into himself and his own feelings that, even tho on some level he knows he is hurting me, he can't remove himself from himself enough to see the ethics of this.
Do you expect him to give your pain precedence over his own? He has probably spent a lifetime trying to figure out how to adapt himself to the world, putting his own desires aside in order to fit in. He may see this as his chance to finally do the opposite. The diagnosis - finally having an explanation for everything - can turn a person's life upside down.
You talk about how he has changed and become more confident, as if it was all your doing. To me that seems rather demeaning - like you consider yourself above him, like you feel he owes you for all your support. Seems to me a marriage needs to be between equals, and if he perceives you as not seeing him as an equal, that could be why he's trying to get away and to prove himself.
I don't think this is an autism/NT issue. I used to get a lot of interest from younger men but it was clear to me that they want you to 'groom' them, they feel a bit inexperienced or gauche and want an older person to give them some 'polish' (I suppose girls do this too), then they'll dump you for someone their own age or peer group. I never took up any of these offers. You're supposed to fix or help with their problems before they present themselves to someone they consider more appropriate, ugh.
Well Pyraxis
First of all, speaking from 23 years previous experience, marriages, like any other relationship, but, but especially because of the extreme closeness, are never really equal. I can say tho that my relationship with this person was much more equal than my marriage was.
If you read the whole story in it's entirity you would see that all things aside, what he has done, and how he has done it was totally wrong and terribly hurtful.
Altho he denies it, I guess I have to conclude that it is probably as Postperson is saying.
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Who i have sex with is between me and me alone!
seriously, the moment i get into any sort of relationship there will be no end to the literature created from it. So you'll know at that time.
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I either express information, or consume it. I am debating which to do right now.
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