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Why do nerotypical men believe it's okay to demand sex in a relationship?

Examples: In a relationship with you and only want sex. or Does favors like teaches you to drive only if you put out?

They don't treat other nerotypical girls like this, then why is okay for you to be treated this way?

Is there something rotten in you if you have a speech impediment and a slow hand eye coordination?

From the way you put it,
I would guess because they
think that they can get away
with it. Though frankly, unless
there was a good reason not to,
I'd be pretty dumbfounded by a
romantic relationship which didn't
include sex.

Not all NT men do, and the ones that do are jerks. Why would you want to be in a relationship with anyone who demands anything? Don't ever let anyone force you to do anything you don't want if you are an adult. Your impediments should have no bearing over what you can do in your life. A real friend won't expect anything in return for helping you.

Last edited by Vegasadelphia on 29 May 2007, 4:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

It is about how they value people in their heirarchical minds. They put women in "leagues", if a woman is "out of their league" or above them she is treated with deference, respect and awe (this judgement is based mainly on physical characteristics).
If a woman is thought below them (again physical judgement) then she can be treated like an object and should be grateful to be given even bad attention from someone who is above her in the league.
I try and learn to do things for myself so not to be made to feel in anyone's debt and manipulated into doing things I don't want to.
Some women use sex as a way to manipulate men though also.

I would never demand sex right away. I would wait until after marriage. A little loyalty would be nice, but men shouldn't have to DEMAND things out of women such as loyalty and sex. Women are not material items, but human beings.

See now, that's one of the top five manliest things I've heard all year.

Nor would I, BUT I doubt that I'd be in
a relationship where the sexual tension
wasn't so high, that it would be undeniable,
presupposing no strong reasons for avoiding it.

congratulations, half the women on WP now wish to marry you.....

Who would? Anyone who DEMANDS sex should have their privates cut off! Doesnt free will exist here people?! !?

As long as they're not raping you, then I don't see the problem.
If you don't like them then you can leave them.

Hehehe. Very funny. Not many girls on WP really like me that much.

Wow, just noticed this part. Uhm, no way in hell
that I would even consider being friends with
someone who isn't loyal.

Neither would I. Nor would I really know how to do so without sounding like a total neanderthal.



That they are. Even if they do have the cooties

Had to do it for a film once. It was a pretty exhilarating
feeling actually. People seemed shocked that I pulled it
off so well. No way I could manage it in life though.

I took it to mean, not demanding full undivided attention before growing in affection and becoming a real couple, but it was kind of ambiguous and I am just projecting my own brain activity onto what he said.

Want to clarify, Yosh?

I don't believe in unwavering loyalty. Following false prophets. Believing that someone can do no wrong. This is false.

People can do wrong. People often do wrong.

I think we'd have to discuss our own definitions of loyal and loyalty.

Dictionary please:

Main Entry: loy·al
Pronunciation: 'loi(-&)l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Old French leial, leel, from Latin legalis legal
1 : unswerving in allegiance: as a : faithful in allegiance to one's lawful sovereign or government b : faithful to a private person to whom fidelity is due c : faithful to a cause, ideal, custom, institution, or product
2 : showing loyalty
3 obsolete : LAWFUL, LEGITIMATE
synonym see FAITHFUL

I think of loyalty as being that "unswerving in allegiance", and that I feel is wrong. How many here are loyal to the government? Believe that everything that is done is right? Not me.

I think others might define it as being faithful. Part that bothers me is "to whom fidelity is due". I would hope that it would be earned, like trust. But not simply a given, as in "You MUST be loyal to me (or else)"

I have no commercial product loyalty. Much depends on the quality and/or the prices. Sometimes I cannot afford a particular brand name. I cannot be loyal to that brand. Because I MUST think of myself first.

I will not be loyal to a friend who steals or cheats. They are not worthy. I will not be loyal to a spouse if he abuses me or lies to me. He is not worthy.

One cannot demand things from women (or men) that must be freely given, from the heart. They are gifts. Not requirements.

One cannot demand love.

If we could, I think we'd all be in relationships. Crappy ones, but in relationships.

Someone said to me once that a compliment was to have someone say "I want you to love me". I thought that was awful. Not at all a compliment. But a demand. Not considering the other person, or how they felt, or if they wanted to love that person. And I said so. I said I would run the other direction if someone said that to me.