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30 Jun 2017, 10:21 pm

It applies to all sexes and genders. If you want to have sex, you damn well need to clear it with the other person. This responsibility falls on the person or people who want to have sex. I guess some people don't understand this absolute social rule.

Logically, this will hurt your chances with repressed people. Sorry, repressed people; it probably stings to have minority status after so long in the majority. You may have to get over it just a little in order to have sex. It may seem unfair, but it will prevent a lot of date rape.


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01 Jul 2017, 2:14 am

Is this a response to an existing post?


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01 Jul 2017, 2:27 am

TheSpectrum wrote:
Is this a response to an existing post?


It seems he hoped on the recent bandwagon of the "guru" threads for singles; first we get a thread telling singles to shut up, then a thread telling them how they should do relationships...

and now a thread accusing them of being date rapists.



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01 Jul 2017, 2:29 am

i find this post largely unclear



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01 Jul 2017, 4:25 am

I think this a response to that thread in the news section.



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01 Jul 2017, 4:57 am

I'd like to clarify that there's no just reason whatsoever that anybody should have to change their life under this consideration. It's just a spectre. Glass walls happen.


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01 Jul 2017, 2:00 pm

Well, you can't say you weren't warned.


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01 Jul 2017, 3:59 pm

This is about "consent," I believe. The problem with us on the Spectrum is that we sometimes don't discern "signals" that a woman, say, wouldn't mind being kissed and caresses by someone. Sometimes, we "get it wrong," and offend the woman.

All the OP is saying is that we should make sure that a woman wants to be touched sexually before one "makes a move."

One doesn't have to sacrifice romance. If a woman consents by allowing you to kiss her hand or (better) reciprocates the kiss with caresses of her own, then a man could pursue the matter further.

If a woman takes your hand away from, say, her breasts, this means "back off."



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01 Jul 2017, 4:16 pm

hurtloam wrote:
I think this a response to that thread in the news section.



You have been warned, fellow potential date rapist.



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01 Jul 2017, 4:18 pm

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You have been warned; don't be a date rapist.



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01 Jul 2017, 4:29 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
Well, you can't say you weren't warned.



Well willb... I mean jrnones, I guess you are warning us not to do your past sins, perhaps?

Don't worry, I believe most of us would never be that bad.

I don't think giving consent or rejection is a subtle thing; and I don't think refusing sex is something that can be missed or misunderstood; it never was. Date rape doesn't happen, just like that, because of misunderstanding or "misreading of body language"; it happens because there's a rapist who wants to rape.



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01 Jul 2017, 10:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Well, you can't say you weren't warned.



Well willb... I mean jrnones, I guess you are warning us not to do your past sins, perhaps?

Don't worry, I believe most of us would never be that bad.

I don't think giving consent or rejection is a subtle thing; and I don't think refusing sex is something that can be missed or misunderstood; it never was. Date rape doesn't happen, just like that, because of misunderstanding or "misreading of body language"; it happens because there's a rapist who wants to rape.

The issue revolves more around enthusiastic consent rather than the absence of refusal. I guess you'll also deny the existence of rape culture, determinism, and the influence of religion? I think people need high confidence in their social skills to use the kraftiekortie method, and many people here do not currently have that confidence. People have been known to make choices at night which seemed awful in the cold light of day, and I think the number of people who commit sexual misconduct well exceeds the number of preferential rapists.

By the way, I did see your first post before you edited it. You said I had accused all men of being rapists. While it seems like you went back and read the first sentence of my post, your reactions all stem from that original misreading, don't they?


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01 Jul 2017, 10:09 pm

I feel there is some exposition missing here.... :?



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01 Jul 2017, 10:30 pm

SwissPagan wrote:
I feel there is some exposition missing here.... :?

I thought I stated a fairly simple thesis.


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01 Jul 2017, 10:39 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
SwissPagan wrote:
I feel there is some exposition missing here.... :?

I thought I stated a fairly simple thesis.

well, yeah, but. what brought it about? what are the initial assumptions here? is there a "zoomed out" version of what you guys are talking about?



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02 Jul 2017, 12:22 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Well, you can't say you weren't warned.



Well willb... I mean jrnones, I guess you are warning us not to do your past sins, perhaps?

Don't worry, I believe most of us would never be that bad.

I don't think giving consent or rejection is a subtle thing; and I don't think refusing sex is something that can be missed or misunderstood; it never was. Date rape doesn't happen, just like that, because of misunderstanding or "misreading of body language"; it happens because there's a rapist who wants to rape.

The issue revolves more around enthusiastic consent rather than the absence of refusal. I guess you'll also deny the existence of rape culture, determinism, and the influence of religion? I think people need high confidence in their social skills to use the kraftiekortie method, and many people here do not currently have that confidence. People have been known to make choices at night which seemed awful in the cold light of day, and I think the number of people who commit sexual misconduct well exceeds the number of preferential rapists.

By the way, I did see your first post before you edited it. You said I had accused all men of being rapists. While it seems like you went back and read the first sentence of my post, your reactions all stem from that original misreading, don't they?


You put the first sentence just so you sound more politically correct - but we all know that you mean men.
Real consent is always enthusiastic, I don't get how one would get aroused otherwise with a motionless body.
I mean all my encounters were the ones who pulled my pants down, grab it by hand for bj or to put it in their inside while flirting; there's no doubt in consent here.