AngelRho wrote:
Aw, boo hoo...nobody cares about men's needs. Go get a waaaaa burger with some french cries.
Men do it to themselves. If men want better treatment, they should be better people.
I only have one gripe about that. Only one. I'm a chronic church-goer. God, Jesus, Holy Ghost--I'm all about that. There are 52 weeks in a year that a pastor could tear into men, how we need to man up, step up, and all that. We get ONE SUNDAY to celebrate Father's Day, and that's the one Sunday the pastor picks to rip into us. No encouragement. No examples of good fathers from the Bible (and there's no shortage of them). No celebration of men and fatherhood. It boils down to women are saints on Mother's Day and men/Fathers are sh¡+ on Father's Day.
That's my "waaaaaaa" moment and I'm done.
Men have historically been the better providers on large scale issues while women have always done better with concerns closer to home. It's not just a patriarchal thing, it's just the way men are "built." One is not superior to the other. We need each other and complementing abilities paired together make couple relationships powerful things. I have no problem whatsoever with reversing roles, either, as long as we work together to keep things moving forward.
But men take care of ourselves. We always have. Why do we NEED someone to say "hey, you're so awesome and mighty" and give us special treatment? We can handle ourselves just fine.
Women, on the other hand have been forced to depend on protection from and by men and largely had only each other to depend on for emotional support. There's also the rite of becoming a woman that binds them together, something men lack the ability for. There's no definite point in time that a man can say "I became a man."
So a lot of it we really can't help.
But then you DO have--I dunno, what's the divorce rate now? We can't keep our relationships together. We can't keep our families together. Women keep primary custody of their children. You have so many deadbeat dads not doing their fair share. And those are the ones NOT beating on their wives and scaring them into staying in abusive relationships. Men who are too busy at work to spend time with their kids. Men who cheat in relationships for WHATEVER reason.
I despise much of what feminism has come to mean. But lets face it, what have men as a gender really done to deserve any better?
There is so much wrong with what you just wrote I don't even know where to begin...
First off, you completely miss the point of my post. This has nothing to do with feminism, or other societal or enviromental causes. It's an evolutionary arguement, and about our instincs, in which reproduction is the primary reason for those instincts. Those instincts were once useful, but we live in a completely different world now, where I don't believe that we as men need to be in constant fierce competition with eachother and constantly trying to put eachother down for the sake of getting laid. My ideal scenario is one where we can atleast partially overcome our instincts with intellect and compassion. Which brings me to
My second point. It's really ironic how much you prove my point, and how much you in my view fall completely flat on your face. Your first instinct is to tell me that I am whining, and you carry a belief that all men's suffering is deserved and self inflicted, while women who suffer need your protection and compassion. I think this is a really primitive mindset, it's like you view women as children, and men as monsters. I don't think us men need to go around telling eachother "you're awesome", rational thinking would be sufficient. Did you know that suicide is the primary cause of death for males under 50 now? If your best friend was struggling with depression, would you tell him to "go get a waaaa burger and french fries"? There is nothing f*****g wrong with having regard for your fellow men.
I don't know why I can be bothered because you speak so much rubbish, but thirdly... Look at the statistics from any western country, and you will find that 70% of divorces, sometimes even higher, are initiated by the woman. There's also quite alot of data that shows that women are atleast twice as likely to cheat compared to men. And fact is, after those divorces, women will most likely have a large support network of both men and women to support her. While the man often has no one.
14 Jul 2017, 4:22 am
employ four women, put them in a room together and see the study fall apart 
