Do Anglo-Saxon women know they can refuse?

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23 Oct 2018, 4:09 am

I found guys in Poland making fun on this video:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06n231c

Well, I'm not into making fun of it but it made me wonder: Why did she have to follow the instructions from a random stranger? In her situation, I would most probably throw his note straight to a trash bin without reading if I wasn't interested in starting a conversation.
She speaks of a "cumulative effect" of such situations. I know, unwanted pick-up attempts are annoying, I do expirience them myself too, but most of the time you can just cut them short by frowning and saying "leave me alone!" if you don't like it... can't you? And the guys usually really leave you alone after this.
Are you, Anglo-Saxon women, pre-programmed by the culture to always smile nicely and never directly refuse to a man? Are you expected to be "nice" and avoid the slightest conflict even at the expense of yourselves?


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23 Oct 2018, 8:16 am

They're just weird, magz, seriously.

I mean, I haven't ever imagined that the toilet seat's lid position would be a problem to anyone; I mean you just need to look at it before sitting if it's down then good, if it's up then you just lower it - easy, yet from this forum I learned that it seems to be a major "gender issue" (even a divorce reason) between men and women in the Anglo-Saxon/English speaking countries.
When I told some women of my country the story that some women there fall into the toilet hole because their men sometimes forget to put down the lid back - they all laughed and were like "are they blind??". True story.



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23 Oct 2018, 11:35 pm

Wish I wish I was brave enough to try picking up women :(



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24 Oct 2018, 7:47 am

Ok now this woman definitely needs to smile.


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24 Oct 2018, 7:52 am

Remember magz that the Ango-Saxon culture revolves around being polite instead of saying what you actually thing. Or as Pink Floydd put it, holding on in quiet desperation is the English way.


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24 Oct 2018, 3:55 pm

She's not Anglo-Saxon, she's Celt. That's a Scottish accent.

I don't look like her so I don't get as much attention (so not much chance for it to accumulate) but she's no more

obliged to smile constantly through life than anyone else. Also being miserable is the main ingredient of Scottish

culture. Seriously, they don't smile; unless something really awful is happening in England.



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24 Oct 2018, 4:00 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
They're just weird, magz, seriously.

I mean, I haven't ever imagined that the toilet seat's lid position would be a problem to anyone; I mean you just need to look at it before sitting if it's down then good, if it's up then you just lower it - easy, yet from this forum I learned that it seems to be a major "gender issue" (even a divorce reason) between men and women in the Anglo-Saxon/English speaking countries.
When I told some women of my country the story that some women there fall into the toilet hole because their men sometimes forget to put down the lid back - they all laughed and were like "are they blind??". True story.

The lid or the seat? they are two different things. We don't fall in, it's just considered rude/ugly to have the bowl

exposed.



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24 Oct 2018, 4:35 pm

magz wrote:
I found guys in Poland making fun on this video:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06n231c

Well, I'm not into making fun of it but it made me wonder: Why did she have to follow the instructions from a random stranger? In her situation, I would most probably throw his note straight to a trash bin without reading if I wasn't interested in starting a conversation.
She speaks of a "cumulative effect" of such situations. I know, unwanted pick-up attempts are annoying, I do expirience them myself too, but most of the time you can just cut them short by frowning and saying "leave me alone!" if you don't like it... can't you? And the guys usually really leave you alone after this.
Are you, Anglo-Saxon women, pre-programmed by the culture to always smile nicely and never directly refuse to a man? Are you expected to be "nice" and avoid the slightest conflict even at the expense of yourselves?

Of course she doesn't have to smile because he said so.
it's just creepy, and stupid telling someone you don't even know to smile.
Someone could have died, she could have had a really bad day at work, but she is told she must smile to give a random man pleasure.
He got off the train before she read the note because he knew it would make things as awkward as hell, but still he chose to do it and disturb her equanimity.
What a c**t.


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24 Oct 2018, 4:46 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
She's not Anglo-Saxon, she's Celt. That's a Scottish accent.

I don't look like her so I don't get as much attention (so not much chance for it to accumulate) but she's no more

obliged to smile constantly through life than anyone else. Also being miserable is the main ingredient of Scottish

culture. Seriously, they don't smile; unless something really awful is happening in England.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Anglo and England via (East) Anglia are named after the German Angli tribe and the Saxons are from, well, Saxony in Germany and the Normans named Normandy, rather than where they are from: so I blame the land of our royalty for all that stuff :lol:

It seems more like our TOWIE\SM obsession and her getting a name for herself and then I'm a Celeb and then a tv show......



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25 Oct 2018, 2:33 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
She's not Anglo-Saxon, she's Celt. That's a Scottish accent.

I don't look like her so I don't get as much attention (so not much chance for it to accumulate) but she's no more

obliged to smile constantly through life than anyone else. Also being miserable is the main ingredient of Scottish

culture. Seriously, they don't smile; unless something really awful is happening in England.

Oh, I get it :D We Poles complain all the time, that's out national sport ;)

Nevertheless, I couldn't understand why she did wait 10 seconds before reading as the note directed her to. Why didn't she just throw it away. Why couldn't she just ignore these directions. They were silly.
And even if she did, why not throw away the note or tear it apart to release your anger and then just go on? Why keep it inside until it grows into serious discomfort? This is the puzzling part for me.


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25 Oct 2018, 4:35 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
They're just weird, magz, seriously.

I mean, I haven't ever imagined that the toilet seat's lid position would be a problem to anyone; I mean you just need to look at it before sitting if it's down then good, if it's up then you just lower it - easy, yet from this forum I learned that it seems to be a major "gender issue" (even a divorce reason) between men and women in the Anglo-Saxon/English speaking countries.
When I told some women of my country the story that some women there fall into the toilet hole because their men sometimes forget to put down the lid back - they all laughed and were like "are they blind??". True story.

The lid or the seat? they are two different things. We don't fall in, it's just considered rude/ugly to have the bowl

exposed.

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25 Oct 2018, 5:23 am

Falling in is pretty rare but I've had women tell me that men should always put the seat down so women won't have to put it down themselves. I don't see why it's any harder for them to put the seat down. I suggested to her that if men always raised the seat and women always lowered it, then men and women would end up moving the seat up or down an equal number of times. She didn't understand.


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25 Oct 2018, 6:37 am

I've actually never encountered a girl insisting on lowering the seat but I once shared a room with a woman who insisted on closing the lid after every use. I thought it's a silly fancy but okay, if she feels more comfortable that way, it wasn't a big problem to do it.

And I actually did fall into a toiled once :mrgreen: At home, when totally drunk. Not a pleasure but come on, I keep my toilet clean, it's something to laugh about after the first drunken wtf :mrgreen:


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25 Oct 2018, 8:08 am

fluffysaurus wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
They're just weird, magz, seriously.

I mean, I haven't ever imagined that the toilet seat's lid position would be a problem to anyone; I mean you just need to look at it before sitting if it's down then good, if it's up then you just lower it - easy, yet from this forum I learned that it seems to be a major "gender issue" (even a divorce reason) between men and women in the Anglo-Saxon/English speaking countries.
When I told some women of my country the story that some women there fall into the toilet hole because their men sometimes forget to put down the lid back - they all laughed and were like "are they blind??". True story.

The lid or the seat? they are two different things. We don't fall in, it's just considered rude/ugly to have the bowl

exposed.
A woman fell in on an ep of South Park. She had been regularly fussing her son about how he needed to leave the seat down because she could fall in & she was too ret*d to check herself. Anyways she didn't check & fell in & she died when they tried to get her out. Why the hell couldn't she had just made it a habit to always make sure the seat was down before sitting.


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25 Oct 2018, 8:21 am

nick007 wrote:
fluffysaurus wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
They're just weird, magz, seriously.

I mean, I haven't ever imagined that the toilet seat's lid position would be a problem to anyone; I mean you just need to look at it before sitting if it's down then good, if it's up then you just lower it - easy, yet from this forum I learned that it seems to be a major "gender issue" (even a divorce reason) between men and women in the Anglo-Saxon/English speaking countries.
When I told some women of my country the story that some women there fall into the toilet hole because their men sometimes forget to put down the lid back - they all laughed and were like "are they blind??". True story.

The lid or the seat? they are two different things. We don't fall in, it's just considered rude/ugly to have the bowl

exposed.
A woman fell in on an ep of South Park. She had been regularly fussing her son about how he needed to leave the seat down because she could fall in & she was too ret*d to check herself. Anyways she didn't check & fell in & she died when they tried to get her out. Why the hell couldn't she had just made it a habit to always make sure the seat was down before sitting.

Okay, South Park is an obvious parody and, as I mentioned, I once did fall (but I have just myself to blame... well, being drunk was to blame) and, thought unpleasant, there was nothing dangerous about it.
I heard a story of an obese man who got stuck in a bathtub... he cried for help and firefighters with the police came to rescue him :D So I guess it is actually possible to get stuck in a toilet. Must be really embarrassing to be rescued from such a state.
I didn't see the relevant SP episode.

But back to the topic: is it really more socially acceptable to go to the press with such a story than to tear apart the mentioned note, mutter "idiot!" and go on with your life?


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25 Oct 2018, 1:34 pm

^This is the BBC (local) they discus things affecting young people. I don't know the details but my guess would be

they asked women to tell them about incidences of being approached by strangers or something similar and this is

what this woman said. You wouldn't go to a newspaper with a story like this, it's not really a story. I think they are

using it as an example of something that will seem fine to some people but might upset others, basically to

encourage discussion.

I would have waited the ten seconds because I would have been intrigued, then I'd have been disappointed by the

message.