Some questions for Incels after the Toronto van attack

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Read this the other day:

https://mic.com/articles/189074/the-mea ... .ybZxcXnXY

I've never seen or heard of an Incel website/forum before, so didn't realize that was even a thing. (But I guess there's an online community for everything now) This article makes it sound like it's a fairly sizeable movement of angry people - but that's probably just news media sensationalism, as there are TONS of Incel men in the world and very little violence I've heard of being attributed to it. If it was a really big problem you'd think we'd hear about it from places like China where there are many more single men who never date/marry due to their population distribution.

A search for Incel on FB yields a bunch of recent articles about the van attack, but also FB groups (with rebellious names like Incel Liberation Army etc) & even an "Incel Tourism" page. I guess it's a bigger part of society than I'd have ever imagined. https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=incel

Anyways, I'm just curious for those on this site that identify as such if you may be able to shed a little light on whether this is even a thing that anyone should be concerned about? (violent rebellion movement stuff) Or is this just a one off extremist who lost his s**t & is about on par with blaming Autism for crimes whenever someone on the spectrum commits one?

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

It's more like a first world/western problem I guess.

And even though we all understand that extreme terrorism and violence is never good, these are men (or maybe sometimes even women) who feel emotionally/socially disenfranchised. Some on here have displayed this already and the only thing they receive from it is "disrespecting/hating all women" or just general arguments. I know some of the things they say might sound awful, but that's not really the same thing as acting out on violence or that you really hate the opposite gender. What is really so controversial about wanting a partner or having a deep emotional sentiment? Where is "hate" in that?

I think that while this sort of terrorist violence should be condemned, society sometimes needs to be capable of re-examining it's priorities and values. Of course, we shouldn't be negotiating or apologizing for every act of extremist violence, but trying to identify with these people's issues makes a good start in these situations.

I'm resting the case here.

I not only think we should be very concerned about it, but I'm very concerned about someone who is even curious about it, because how do I not know they secretly want to join it and possibly commit murder themselves?

^^ Fair. Like I said, it's probably just media sensationalism and one unhinged person who did this thing vs. hordes of angry men about to commit murder because they're angry at the world for their problems in life. It's fine to be angry at the world if that's therapeutic for you, but totally not fine to go killin' folks who have exactly zero influence on your life or your problems. Always so strange when people murder random others because they're mad about something. At least when people get killed who have done some serious harm to the killer it makes a little more sense why they did it.

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No for supporting trump. Because doing so is deplorable.

I never heard of it before, ironically I think this van guy has succeeded in his "goal" to make his ideas known to the world.

And like how many now associate anything Arabic to terrorism (only from the Westerners though, I never got such sentiments from Asians or Africans), now the common people are associating male celibacy(In this instance, the common Western - because I have never sense seen such association in the East) , and worse even the "nerdy and geeky personality" to mass murder and misogynist manifestos. I am not talking even about members in online 'incel boards' but just any single guy who's struggling in getting relationship.

Such hyperbolic associations are not uncommon among people, we have seen it a lot in history. Like the anti-Japanese sentiments in the US during WWII that affected not only American Japaneses, but any Asian ethnicity who were ironically originally from countries struggling against the imperial Japan.



It's like I pointed in the other thread:

I've never even heard of Incels before and I have no idea what it has to do with "Love and Dating"...

The gradual dissolution of monogamous traditions means that a smaller number of men will have sex with multiple women, while at the same there is an increasing amount of lonely men. This is because men tend to want to have sex with anyone remotely attractive while women tend to be a lot more picky for obvious evolutionary reasons.

Violent incelism is not a modern phenomenon. A major reason why monogamy was instated in the first place was to upkeep order. Lonely and therefore discontent men will always create trouble, it's just a new incarnation of the same phenomenon.

Luckily we live in a time where vr and sex robots will soon be a thing, which means that women's freedoms will not have to be sacrificed for order, granted that these technologies become advanced enough.

Basically, these are people who don't get out in the world, and don't hang out with real people.

The less we talk about them, the better, frankly.

Be wary----but don't give them a platform.

They thrive on the attention. They thrive on people fearing them.

I was involuntarily celibate for quite a while in my teens. And at times in my 20's, too.

I never thought about killing anybody because of it.

It's because we give them a platform----and thus credibility.

We just have to stop listening to idiots who would espouse violence just because they can't get a date.

I was bullied, too. Sometimes rather severely. I never thought about shooting up a school.

Enough already with all this garbage/rubbish!! !

Anyone who thinks the Toronto murderer is a "one-off" hasn't been paying attention to this movement. He's not the first one. He won't be the last one.

It's entirely possible to be an "incel" by definition (I'm not having sex and I'd really like to be) without being the kind of person who participates in this movement - just as it's possible to be the victim of bullying without becoming a mass murderer.

There are vile, violent, revolting men in these communities who sincerely believe that mass rape is a legitimate response to their sexual dissatisfaction. That it would be just great for them to spray acid in the faces of as many women as possible, thus disfiguring them so they'd be unable to attract "normies" and would have to settle for sex with the incels. That the government should be punishing women who have sex with multiple partners by requiring them to make themselves available for incels to have sex with.

They are dangerous. Ignoring them is going to work just about as well as ignoring white supremacists and other hate groups. They're congregating in dark corners of the internet and encouraging one another to take action in the real world, and inevitably, some of them will do so.

And people will die as a result.