Is This Toxic Content? Down To Earth/Girl Next Door

Page 1 of 7 [ 102 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... 7  Next

TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Feb 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 532
Location: Planet Emorf

kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

28 Mar 2022, 7:53 am

This doesn't reflect the "average woman." They're all models.

I don't know if I would use the word "toxic."

But I find this "western" society frequently places heavy expectations upon both women and men in terms of physical looks. In reality, people who are supposedly "average" or "below average"-looking frequently find love with other "average," or "below average"-looking people.

It's BS that "80% of women seek out 20% of men."

Sure, both sexes might fantasize about model types (I never did)-----but, as long as couples remain faithful to each other, then I find this sort of fantasizing is okay.



magz
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jun 2017
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 16,283
Location: Poland

28 Mar 2022, 7:58 am

I don't know if it's toxic but it's definitely completely unrealistic.
See what your neighbours look like if you want to know what "next door girl" means. She's most likely not looking for old money guys, rather next door guys.
These "types" and their "matches" have little to do with real people out there.


_________________
Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.

<not moderating PPR stuff concerning East Europe>


TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Feb 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 532
Location: Planet Emorf

28 Mar 2022, 8:44 am

magz wrote:
I don't know if it's toxic but it's definitely completely unrealistic.
See what your neighbours look like if you want to know what "next door girl" means. She's most likely not looking for old money guys, rather next door guys.
These "types" and their "matches" have little to do with real people out there.


@magz

Do you have an example of real types?



TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Feb 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 532
Location: Planet Emorf

28 Mar 2022, 8:45 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
This doesn't reflect the "average woman." They're all models.

I don't know if I would use the word "toxic."

But I find this "western" society frequently places heavy expectations upon both women and men in terms of physical looks. In reality, people who are supposedly "average" or "below average"-looking frequently find love with other "average," or "below average"-looking people.

It's BS that "80% of women seek out 20% of men."

Sure, both sexes might fantasize about model types (I never did)-----but, as long as couples remain faithful to each other, then I find this sort of fantasizing is okay.


@kraftiekortie

Fantasizing is perfectly fine if it stays just a fantasy



TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Feb 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 532
Location: Planet Emorf

28 Mar 2022, 8:47 am

What about the concept itself if you take looks out of the equation?



magz
Forum Moderator
Forum Moderator

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jun 2017
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 16,283
Location: Poland

28 Mar 2022, 8:55 am

TB_TB_TB_TB_TB_TB wrote:
Do you have an example of real types?

Your neighbours? It differs with geography :D


_________________
Let's not confuse being normal with being mentally healthy.

<not moderating PPR stuff concerning East Europe>


ironpony
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Nov 2015
Age: 40
Posts: 5,590
Location: canada

28 Mar 2022, 9:26 am

Well I keep hearing that 80% of guys miss out on women, because those 80% of women go for the top 20% of guys. But if this is true to an extent, that would that the top 20 of guys are just going for all the average women. If the top 20% percent of guys would just stick to the top 20% of women, and stay in their league, then the other 80% of women would be forced to date the other 80% of guys.

But for some reason, the top 20% of guys will go date down it seems.



kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

28 Mar 2022, 9:52 am

I'm nowhere near the "top 20%"----yet I've been with quite a few women.

Not bragging-----just pointing out the fallacy of all these "theories" about "alpha men" and all that.



rse92
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2021
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,214
Location: Buffalo, NY

28 Mar 2022, 3:36 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm nowhere near the "top 20%"----yet I've been with quite a few women.

Not bragging-----just pointing out the fallacy of all these "theories" about "alpha men" and all that.


If 80% of women desire 20% of the men, then 60% of women will be disappointed. Those women, if they want relationships, will find them with men below the 20% cut line.

Don't sell yourself short -- you may be in the top 20% and not realize it.

But your success does not disprove the proposition.



rse92
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 14 Oct 2021
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,214
Location: Buffalo, NY

28 Mar 2022, 4:08 pm

ironpony wrote:
Well I keep hearing that 80% of guys miss out on women, because those 80% of women go for the top 20% of guys. But if this is true to an extent, that would that the top 20 of guys are just going for all the average women. If the top 20% percent of guys would just stick to the top 20% of women, and stay in their league, then the other 80% of women would be forced to date the other 80% of guys.

But for some reason, the top 20% of guys will go date down it seems.


Maybe there are women below the twenty percent cut line who make excellent partners and companions for any man.

You don't judge a book by its cover. My first wife was objectively beautiful and bit me like an asp.



The_Face_of_Boo
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 16 Jun 2010
Age: 42
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 33,095
Location: Beirut, Lebanon.

28 Mar 2022, 4:19 pm

They are all models, btw.



CoolHandLuke
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 27 Mar 2022
Age: 136
Gender: Male
Posts: 133
Location: Earth

28 Mar 2022, 4:24 pm

The dailymail is a scourge on humanity.


_________________
I'm a picture of ugly stories. I'm a killer and I'm a clown.


ironpony
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 3 Nov 2015
Age: 40
Posts: 5,590
Location: canada

28 Mar 2022, 9:15 pm

rse92 wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Well I keep hearing that 80% of guys miss out on women, because those 80% of women go for the top 20% of guys. But if this is true to an extent, that would that the top 20 of guys are just going for all the average women. If the top 20% percent of guys would just stick to the top 20% of women, and stay in their league, then the other 80% of women would be forced to date the other 80% of guys.

But for some reason, the top 20% of guys will go date down it seems.


Maybe there are women below the twenty percent cut line who make excellent partners and companions for any man.

You don't judge a book by its cover. My first wife was objectively beautiful and bit me like an asp.


Oh yes, for sure. Makes sense. I don't see how the meme (or whatever it's called), is toxic, because most guys go for more average women compared to model types anyway.



Lost_dragon
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 May 2017
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,962
Location: England

29 Mar 2022, 6:24 am

The fashion and beauty industry have always sought out to sell a lifestyle to consumers. One of wealth and desirability. A simplified fantasy. The rules of fashion are constantly changing in order to turn a profit. Certain women's magazines can be rather notorious for picking random human traits and telling their audience that trait is unattractive and needs to be changed by buying their products.

I've worked with previous freelance models and I've also worked with non-models on photography projects. The main difference I noticed was that the non-models became antsy when they lacked direction regarding how to pose. I would speculate that a fair amount of people who deem themselves unattractive aren't actually that bad looking but simply don't know how to photograph themselves in a way that is flattering.

Presenting yourself in a way that is attractive to others can be a difficult task since it involves trying to determine what traits someone might find attractive about you. This can be tricky as you probably aren't your own type. So, some people turn to newspapers, magazines and websites to tell them how to dress, what to do with their hair and what make up to wear. These standards can at times be unrealistic or so trivial that people get fixated on traits that others around them probably aren't even considering. Separating 'Girl Next Door' from 'Down to Earth' seems so arbitrary. I was under the impression that the two were more or less the same concept.

The lifestyle that is being marketed in this image is wear expensive clothes, present yourself in this way and find a good man - then you'll be successful and happy. Of course, life isn't always that simple. Clothes don't have to be picked based on what others will find attractive but instead can be a source of comfort or a way of communicating a sense of identity. I dislike fast fashion and its fickleness. Besides, fashion always circles around, so if you stick with a style long enough then you're likely to unintentionally find yourself on trend eventually anyway.


_________________
Support human artists! Do not let the craft die.

25. Near the spectrum but not on it.


RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,082
Location: Adelaide, Australia

30 Mar 2022, 7:28 am

I've never lived next door to any girl who dresses even slightly like that!


_________________
The days are long, but the years are short