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16 Aug 2010, 12:00 pm

Upon perusing the forums, it appears that a lot of people here are younger than my targeted age range which is 40ish and above.

So I figured, what the heck, take a leap of faith and start a new thread to discern if there are any males seeking what I seek.

I fully realize the best you can expect is a shot at a relationship - as it depends on the overall compatibility and synergy between two people which can only be determined by actually meeting and interacting in person (safely of course) over a period of time. In short, I do not have fairy tale unrealistic expectations.

My name is Leslie, and I am 46 year old NT woman. Here is a link to my profile on Aspie Affection. http://www.aspieaffection.com/showprofile.php?id=3529. The profile write up I used is from my Match.com account. I have found mainstream dating sites to be meat market. I prefer highly intelligent, sensitive men (the more intelligent, the more attractive they are to me) who are loyal and trustworthy. Although I wrote in my profile write up that my ideal match would be naturally affectionate and expressive, I am savvy enough to know that shy guys can be marvelous.

Moreover, I have the uncanny ability to break through to people and bring them out of their shell as I am extroverted. Personally I think shy, intelligent guys can be very sweet sometimes because they are not haughty, conceited Neanderthals who think they are God's gift to women. It has been my personal experience that still waters run deep.

Have you ever noticed how men (and women for that matter) who are pleased as punch with themselves are really not all that they purport to be?

End of the day, if you only judge a book by its cover - you might just miss a good read!

As Ever,
Leslie Lee - a Hopeful Romantic



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16 Aug 2010, 1:24 pm

Hi

I hope you find who you seek.

Good luck/fortune.


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16 Aug 2010, 5:15 pm

Yes we are here and you look like a nice person.


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16 Aug 2010, 6:39 pm

Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and communication

People with Autism have an impaired ability to empathize with others - that is to say, we have little ability to comprehend how the people around us are feeling, or what their needs and expectations are, therefore we tend to respond inappropriately or not at all. Our internal world is dominated by a select and limited group of obsessive personal interests, which vary between individuals, but tend to be the only things we can focus on for more than brief periods - those interests however, tend to dominate our thoughts to the exclusion of all else and we become irritable and agitated when our focus on them is interrupted, for any reason whatsoever.

For this reason, personal relationships are almost always tenuous, fraught with stress and tragically short-lived. However 'normal' we might seem in the early stages of a romantic relationship, that normalcy will break down over time as the act becomes too much to sustain. Eventually you will be left with a partner who largely ignores you and resents being asked to tear themselves away from their own interests to feign enthusiasm for yours.

Oh, yes - the routines - because we suffer from impaired processing abilities, socializing is a tremendous strain which leaves us drained and surly after even fairly brief periods (many of us also have hypersensitivities to stimuli such as light and noise). As a result of all this we tend to live in a state of hyper-anxiety (thus the rocking and hand flapping) and create personal rituals and routines, so that as much of our daily lives as possible can be controlled, contained and predicted, cutting down on the number of unexpected encounters and events we are required to mentally process in the course of a day. When these routines are altered or interrupted we may become extremely upset as it can send us spinning into an anxiety attack.

Also because of these social disabilities and processing issues, conversation itself can be somewhat overwhelming, especially if it involves personal probing or hostility or pressure of any kind. The likely result of argument or interrogation is either an emotional and physical outburst, or a complete shutdown into silence. Open communication is a very tricky prospect and once another party is perceived as likely to become hostile, further communication is very nearly impossible, for the duration of what will thereafter be a very unhappy relationship.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
my ideal match would be naturally affectionate and expressive, I am savvy enough to know that shy guys can be marvelous.


Here's a news flash: Autistic people are not necessarily quiet because they're SHY. They often suffer from social anxiety, due to the fact that they cannot mentally process social interactions as fast as a neurotypical brain and often miss what to others are obvious nonverbal cues and signals. Personally, I consider it insulting to belittle my social difficulties by categorizing them as 'shyness'. And we are rarely 'naturally affectionate or expressive' - many of us detest being touched at all, and lovey nicknames and fawning are just not logical or necessary and actually strike many of us as embarrassingly tacky.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
I have the uncanny ability to break through to people and bring them out of their shell as I am extroverted.


Again, this is making that assumption of shyness. Get an Autistic started talking about one of their personal interests and you'll find out quickly how shy they aren't - but you won't get a word in edgewise for the next hour or more, and you'll likely be bored to tears being lectured on how to disassemble and rebuild a specific model of vacuum cleaner, or something that you find equally as exciting.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
shy, intelligent guys can be very sweet


There's that word again. :roll: Just because someone deigns not to speak to you does not mean they're afraid to, it may mean that they don't care for socializing, or that they fairly certain there's nothing in common to converse about.

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End of the day, if you only judge a book by its cover - you might just miss a good read!


Well, that's probably true of romance novels, but books dealing in hard data tend to be very straightforward and can often be judged as worthy of perusal based on their titles alone. Fiction on the other hand, by its very nature is full of deception, misdirection and generally unpleasant surprises. It keeps the story exciting but you wouldn't want to live there. Some books deserve passing up just because they have Fabio on the cover. Not a problem, since there's a limit to how much reading one can do in a lifetime - you have to have some criteria for narrowing down the reading list.

To quote Stephen Wright "You can't have everything - where would you put it?"

My point being, buyer beware. Seeking out a long term relationship with an Autistic is like drying your laundry with a blow dryer. Its not impossible, but it may turn out to be more effort than you're willing to exert, and entertaining romantic fantasies about it will virtually guarantee disappointment.



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16 Aug 2010, 7:10 pm

Willard, I loved your post! Although you were borderline harsh, it was also right on the money for an aspie male. Very clever.

What you may not have considered, however, is that some women are more than willing to dry their entire load of laundry with a blow dryer, if it means that they have somebody to love and to trust.



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16 Aug 2010, 7:10 pm

Well said Willard.

I still missed exactly why she has a specific interest in aspies. If all she wants is a shy guy, why not crack a shy NT's shell instead?



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16 Aug 2010, 7:48 pm

I read her AA profile-or tried to. It was so LONG that I clicked out of it at the first opportunity. It appears she lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, and is a SOx auditor. SOx isn't on your feet, it's the onerous Sarbanes-Oxley Act that threw additional burdens of "reporting" on publicly traded corporations in the wake of Enron. The corporations had to hire legions of accountants to comply. She's one of them.

From what I read, she overestimates her ability to find a job "anywhere". Charlotte is a BIG banking/finance center, it's largely supplanted San Francisco as the "other New York", it's home to that quintessentially San Francisco company, Bank of America, which got purchased ages ago. Unless you are in San Francisco, Silicon Valley, or New York, it's likely that she won't find employment where you live.

I'm betting she has a "geek fetish", since she works around socially maladroit men (which accountants tend to be) all day everyday. However, I'm betting that her co-workers are NOT autistic. We tend to have a difficult time in huge corporations, unless it's Silicon Valley where we can program code all day.

So, she's got crossed signals. She thinks "autistic" equals "the shy guy down the hall I want to date", when that's not the case. He's just shy. WE, OTOH, are socially impaired, our brains can't handle social interaction. A shy guy will eventually love you. Most aspies can't, literally. The best we're good for is a screw buddy. And some of us can't even do THAT.

See what autistics are up against when we DO try and reach out? "Oh, he's SHY, how cute!" Women have totally unrealistic romance fantasies sometimes. I've been thinking of advertising for a brokenhearted woman on Craigslist, since they're the ones who usually just want sex.



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16 Aug 2010, 8:26 pm

pezar wrote:
I read her AA profile-or tried to. It was so LONG that I clicked out of it at the first opportunity. It appears she lives in Charlotte, North Carolina, and is a SOx auditor. SOx isn't on your feet, it's the onerous Sarbanes-Oxley Act that threw additional burdens of "reporting" on publicly traded corporations in the wake of Enron. The corporations had to hire legions of accountants to comply. She's one of them.

From what I read, she overestimates her ability to find a job "anywhere". Charlotte is a BIG banking/finance center, it's largely supplanted San Francisco as the "other New York", it's home to that quintessentially San Francisco company, Bank of America, which got purchased ages ago. Unless you are in San Francisco, Silicon Valley, or New York, it's likely that she won't find employment where you live.

I'm betting she has a "geek fetish", since she works around socially maladroit men (which accountants tend to be) all day everyday. However, I'm betting that her co-workers are NOT autistic. We tend to have a difficult time in huge corporations, unless it's Silicon Valley where we can program code all day.

So, she's got crossed signals. She thinks "autistic" equals "the shy guy down the hall I want to date", when that's not the case. He's just shy. WE, OTOH, are socially impaired, our brains can't handle social interaction. A shy guy will eventually love you. Most aspies can't, literally. The best we're good for is a screw buddy. And some of us can't even do THAT.

See what autistics are up against when we DO try and reach out? "Oh, he's SHY, how cute!" Women have totally unrealistic romance fantasies sometimes. I've been thinking of advertising for a brokenhearted woman on Craigslist, since they're the ones who usually just want sex.




Pezar,

Thanks for your input. Last time I heard there was this radical concept called diplomacy and tact in which one gives constructive criticism.
Based upon your post, I see you excel in this endeavor. Thanks again!

LL



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16 Aug 2010, 8:30 pm

Willard wrote:
Autism is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and communication

People with Autism have an impaired ability to empathize with others - that is to say, we have little ability to comprehend how the people around us are feeling, or what their needs and expectations are, therefore we tend to respond inappropriately or not at all. Our internal world is dominated by a select and limited group of obsessive personal interests, which vary between individuals, but tend to be the only things we can focus on for more than brief periods - those interests however, tend to dominate our thoughts to the exclusion of all else and we become irritable and agitated when our focus on them is interrupted, for any reason whatsoever.

For this reason, personal relationships are almost always tenuous, fraught with stress and tragically short-lived. However 'normal' we might seem in the early stages of a romantic relationship, that normalcy will break down over time as the act becomes too much to sustain. Eventually you will be left with a partner who largely ignores you and resents being asked to tear themselves away from their own interests to feign enthusiasm for yours.

Oh, yes - the routines - because we suffer from impaired processing abilities, socializing is a tremendous strain which leaves us drained and surly after even fairly brief periods (many of us also have hypersensitivities to stimuli such as light and noise). As a result of all this we tend to live in a state of hyper-anxiety (thus the rocking and hand flapping) and create personal rituals and routines, so that as much of our daily lives as possible can be controlled, contained and predicted, cutting down on the number of unexpected encounters and events we are required to mentally process in the course of a day. When these routines are altered or interrupted we may become extremely upset as it can send us spinning into an anxiety attack.

Also because of these social disabilities and processing issues, conversation itself can be somewhat overwhelming, especially if it involves personal probing or hostility or pressure of any kind. The likely result of argument or interrogation is either an emotional and physical outburst, or a complete shutdown into silence. Open communication is a very tricky prospect and once another party is perceived as likely to become hostile, further communication is very nearly impossible, for the duration of what will thereafter be a very unhappy relationship.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
my ideal match would be naturally affectionate and expressive, I am savvy enough to know that shy guys can be marvelous.


Here's a news flash: Autistic people are not necessarily quiet because they're SHY. They often suffer from social anxiety, due to the fact that they cannot mentally process social interactions as fast as a neurotypical brain and often miss what to others are obvious nonverbal cues and signals. Personally, I consider it insulting to belittle my social difficulties by categorizing them as 'shyness'. And we are rarely 'naturally affectionate or expressive' - many of us detest being touched at all, and lovey nicknames and fawning are just not logical or necessary and actually strike many of us as embarrassingly tacky.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
I have the uncanny ability to break through to people and bring them out of their shell as I am extroverted.


Again, this is making that assumption of shyness. Get an Autistic started talking about one of their personal interests and you'll find out quickly how shy they aren't - but you won't get a word in edgewise for the next hour or more, and you'll likely be bored to tears being lectured on how to disassemble and rebuild a specific model of vacuum cleaner, or something that you find equally as exciting.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
shy, intelligent guys can be very sweet


There's that word again. :roll: Just because someone deigns not to speak to you does not mean they're afraid to, it may mean that they don't care for socializing, or that they fairly certain there's nothing in common to converse about.

HopefulRomantic wrote:
End of the day, if you only judge a book by its cover - you might just miss a good read!


Well, that's probably true of romance novels, but books dealing in hard data tend to be very straightforward and can often be judged as worthy of perusal based on their titles alone. Fiction on the other hand, by its very nature is full of deception, misdirection and generally unpleasant surprises. It keeps the story exciting but you wouldn't want to live there. Some books deserve passing up just because they have Fabio on the cover. Not a problem, since there's a limit to how much reading one can do in a lifetime - you have to have some criteria for narrowing down the reading list.

To quote Stephen Wright "You can't have everything - where would you put it?"

My point being, buyer beware. Seeking out a long term relationship with an Autistic is like drying your laundry with a blow dryer. Its not impossible, but it may turn out to be more effort than you're willing to exert, and entertaining romantic fantasies about it will virtually guarantee disappointment.



Willard,

Thanks for you input. Your post is informative and direct. I like that. Please allow me to extend my apology if I offended you by the use of the word "shy." Thanks again. No doubt you provided worthwhile commentary in a tactful way.

LL



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17 Aug 2010, 12:49 am

Willard, Can I copy and paste your post to use as a screening process for potential suitors who all think I'm refreshingly intelligent, independent and qurkily shy? I wish I had a dollar for every delusional dude who thought I was his ideal woman just 'cus I think like a man, only to have his delusions of ideal blown apart of the reality of AS. I'm not quite the robot you describe when it comes to affection, but everything else is right on the money.

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See what autistics are up against when we DO try and reach out? "Oh, he's SHY, how cute!" Women have totally unrealistic romance fantasies sometimes.


As do many men.. As an Aspie woman I can tell you this for free, I have yet to meet one single man in my 48 years who gets me and doesn't have typical idiotic notions of what I should be like.



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17 Aug 2010, 7:13 am

crocus wrote:
As do many men.. As an Aspie woman I can tell you this for free, I have yet to meet one single man in my 48 years who gets me and doesn't have typical idiotic notions of what I should be like.



Amen, crocus!!



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17 Aug 2010, 8:25 am

I sense a tactful jab or two.


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17 Aug 2010, 3:32 pm

crocus wrote:
pezar wrote:
See what autistics are up against when we DO try and reach out? "Oh, he's SHY, how cute!" Women have totally unrealistic romance fantasies sometimes.

As do many men.. As an Aspie woman I can tell you this for free, I have yet to meet one single man in my 48 years who gets me and doesn't have typical idiotic notions of what I should be like.

Very true, from both sides.
Not that aspies are immune to unrealistic notions of course, such as being understood. :wink:



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17 Aug 2010, 3:38 pm

Sedaka wrote:
I sense a tactful jab or two.
:)

HopefulRomantic wrote:
pezar wrote:
....

Pezar,

Thanks for your input. Last time I heard there was this radical concept called diplomacy and tact in which one gives constructive criticism.
Based upon your post, I see you excel in this endeavor. Thanks again!

LL


HopefulRomantic wrote:
Willard wrote:
...

Willard,

Thanks for you input. Your post is informative and direct. I like that. Please allow me to extend my apology if I offended you by the use of the word "shy." Thanks again. No doubt you provided worthwhile commentary in a tactful way.

LL

And I sense sarcasm masquerading as civility.
Perhaps the assumption was that autism = shy and dumb. :?
Was intelligent scepticism unexpected?

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Moreover, I have the uncanny ability to break through to people and bring them out of their shell as I am extroverted.

Cruelty to turtles?
Or 'the answer to autism' : we all need a noisy extrovert to come rapping on our shells :?: :? :P



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17 Aug 2010, 4:34 pm

ladyrain wrote:
HopefulRomantic wrote:
Moreover, I have the uncanny ability to break through to people and bring them out of their shell as I am extroverted.

Cruelty to turtles?
Or 'the answer to autism' : we all need a noisy extrovert to come rapping on our shells :?: :? :P


LMAO :lol:

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Now, I want to change my username to turtle_bitch!

HopefulRomantic - I think you would be hopelessly disillusioned in a relationship with an Aspie. You are mistaking a host of neurological differences for shyness. It's NOT the same thing. Also, from your self description, I can tell you as an Aspie, you would drive me mad. Extroverts, the way you've described yourself give me the hives. I've known many in time and things like obsessively, neurotically even in some cases, needing to "break through to people and bring them out of their shell" I find abhorent and in violation of my personal space.

Extroverted behaviours that will make an Aspie despise you and run for the hills:

Having to talk to strangers everywhere you go and share personal details.
Trying to force you to get out more or see more sights long after you've had your fill of humanity for the day.
Talking too much.
Asking too many questions.
General all-around obliviousness to how much they overload your senses.
The need to always be socializing.




THINKING THAT ANYONE WHO IS INTROVERTED NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT OUT OF THEIR SHELL.



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17 Aug 2010, 5:44 pm

Willard wrote:
- And we are rarely 'naturally affectionate or expressive'
- lovey nicknames and fawning are just not logical or necessary and actually strike many of us as embarrassingly tacky.
- Seeking out a long term relationship with an Autistic is like drying your laundry with a blow dryer.
- and entertaining romantic fantasies about it will virtually guarantee disappointment.


This makes a lot of sense, and it clears up a lot of odd questions and looks I have had in the past and ones of my own.
When I have explained to people that have asked what I want in a relationship and what kind of person, I almost always got really strange looks and comments from people. Things like
- you like the freaks and weirdos?!?! 8O <-- my response.. 'thats kind of a generalised statement, not all personalities like that are freaks and weirdos'
- Why?! You could do so much better then one of those <-- my response.. 'ummm what? what is 'one of those'? they never really answered..
but generally I just ended up with really odd looks and behaviours from people.


My idea of 'freaks and weirdos' are not what the rest of this planet sees I guess..
I hate lovey nick names - someone called me **SomeStupidName** a couple times, it got picked up by others.. because they could see how much it bothered me :twisted:

I have never wanted children and do not believe in marriage and think valentines day is weird - to me, those pretty much = romantic fantasies, unless there are others I am not aware of

drying your laundry with a blow dryer - that is not logical, toss it outside or use a machine

Solitaire wrote:
- borderline harsh


I didn't see it as even close to borderline harsh.

Solitaire wrote:
- they have somebody to love and to trust.


That sounds, very one sided. Some people used to love their pet rock, some even married them, that does not make it
a relationship.

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In 1976 a Los Angeles secretary named Jannene Swift officially married a 50 pound rock. The ceremony was witnessed by more than 20 people.