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11 Oct 2008, 7:01 am

Apologies for the rambling...

I wound up here because of my aspie boyfriend. The issues we've been dealing with (occasional misunderstandings, and more commonly, that feeling of "indifference" on his end) are ones I've seen described repeatedly by NT women. I can relate to these accounts perfectly. The thing that's thrown me off recently is that I've realized that I am far from neurotypical myself. I definitely fit ADHD perfectly, and I've scheduled an evaluation to confirm this (much needed, as I've been failing at life for a while and have reached a point where I'm simply not able to cope any longer). Beyond that, I've started to notice similarities between my boyfriend and myself that don't fit into the list of ADHD traits. I feel somewhat idiotic. I've explained to him that his neutral expression sometimes confuses me, because I can't tell if I'm making him happy. I'd forgotten that for most of my life, people told me the exact same thing - I'd just made a conscious effort to smile more and it eventually came naturally. I was hurt when I was left to cry on my own, and yet when others around me need comforting, I flee, because I simply don't know how to act around them. I'm not sure what to think now. There's definitely a vast difference in our understanding of social situations and emotions (though my emotional wiring seems to be a little off), so claiming to have the same problem would be a massive stretch... there is quite a bit of overlap though, and nothing social has ever been intuitive for me. I feel like I have a much better understanding of his thinking now, but in some ways, I still feel clueless. Just because I know that the neutral expression is not bad, does not mean that I'm any closer to knowing when he's happy.

What I'm wondering is, if two people with AS are in a relationship, does the "please show me how you are feeling" conversation exist? Basically, would there be the same kind of uncertainty about knowing how your partner feels as there is described in NT/AS relationships, or is there some sort of mutual understanding with these things?

I'm sorry if this is hard to follow. I'm thinking that it would be nice if it turned out I actually had been able to relate to my boyfriend with certain things all along, but wondering why, if this were true, his behavior would stand out to me so much.



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11 Oct 2008, 10:40 am

Hi theotherle. I've read recently that as in women is severely under-diagnosed and that women often show very different symptoms to men, so I'd say it's quite possible that you do have as but just experience it very differently from you're boyfriend.

I've never been in a relationship with another aspie so I can't really answer you're question for certain. What I can say is that if that it seems to me that if two aspies were together it would makes sense to just come to an understanding that you could both be brutally honest with each other. As neither partner would be able to read the other to find out about their feelings it would be necessary to just ask in a direct manner. Hopefully the two of you would have enough experience of miss-communication to agree to a sort of honesty pact. Like I said I have no experience of this situation but that's how I think it would work best.



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11 Oct 2008, 1:43 pm

I have been in a relationship with both an NT and an Aspie. I prefer Aspies because we are less likely to lie or cheat.


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11 Oct 2008, 5:25 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
I have been in a relationship with both an NT and an Aspie. I prefer Aspies because we are less likely to lie or cheat.


My AS wife was an expert liar as well as her brother. Do you have any research proof that AS are more honest?



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11 Oct 2008, 5:26 pm

I am using my previous relationships as examples.


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11 Oct 2008, 5:44 pm

My wife might have AS but this has never been confirmed by a diagnosis, I just think that some of her traits show AS behaviour. Given that we seem to get on just fine and we've been together for eight years or so with only a couple of arguments. We don't NEED to ask each other how we feel because we both know that we've found the right person.

The biggest clue, we both accept each other for what we are and don't try to change things.

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11 Oct 2008, 6:39 pm

ExtremeEmpath wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
I have been in a relationship with both an NT and an Aspie. I prefer Aspies because we are less likely to lie or cheat.


My AS wife was an expert liar as well as her brother. Do you have any research proof that AS are more honest?


By 'expert' do you mean 'frequent' or 'undetectable'? I would assume 'frequent' as if she was 'undetectable' you would never have know. General consensus is that Aspies are poor liers, meaning that they *can* lie (we all have to hide the truth for society to continue), but are bad at HIDING their lies. As you found out her lies, then that does fit the picture.

My NT ex-wife was/is also a liar. Much better than an Aspie is terms of body language and overall conviction. Like a dodgy politician or used car salesman, the body language and tone of voice are perfect. It's only when you get away and have a moments free mind-space, you realise you've been sold the moon on a stick.

Aspies HAVE to lie to get by, too. The difference is that because we give out 'guilty' body language even when genuinely innocent, we find honesty is a more practical path in general. Of course, this will vary with person, place and situation.

My belief is that Aspies are not *convincing* liars. I'm intrigued as to whether your wife was a convincing or unconvincing liar.


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13 Oct 2008, 10:56 am

theotherle wrote:
Apologies for the rambling...

I wound up here because of my aspie boyfriend. The issues we've been dealing with (occasional misunderstandings, and more commonly, that feeling of "indifference" on his end) are ones I've seen described repeatedly by NT women. I can relate to these accounts perfectly. The thing that's thrown me off recently is that I've realized that I am far from neurotypical myself. I definitely fit ADHD perfectly, and I've scheduled an evaluation to confirm this (much needed, as I've been failing at life for a while and have reached a point where I'm simply not able to cope any longer). Beyond that, I've started to notice similarities between my boyfriend and myself that don't fit into the list of ADHD traits. I feel somewhat idiotic. I've explained to him that his neutral expression sometimes confuses me, because I can't tell if I'm making him happy. I'd forgotten that for most of my life, people told me the exact same thing - I'd just made a conscious effort to smile more and it eventually came naturally. I was hurt when I was left to cry on my own, and yet when others around me need comforting, I flee, because I simply don't know how to act around them. I'm not sure what to think now. There's definitely a vast difference in our understanding of social situations and emotions (though my emotional wiring seems to be a little off), so claiming to have the same problem would be a massive stretch... there is quite a bit of overlap though, and nothing social has ever been intuitive for me. I feel like I have a much better understanding of his thinking now, but in some ways, I still feel clueless. Just because I know that the neutral expression is not bad, does not mean that I'm any closer to knowing when he's happy.

What I'm wondering is, if two people with AS are in a relationship, does the "please show me how you are feeling" conversation exist? Basically, would there be the same kind of uncertainty about knowing how your partner feels as there is described in NT/AS relationships, or is there some sort of mutual understanding with these things?

I'm sorry if this is hard to follow. I'm thinking that it would be nice if it turned out I actually had been able to relate to my boyfriend with certain things all along, but wondering why, if this were true, his behavior would stand out to me so much.


How long have you been together?
In the early months of my long-time relationship, we sorta had this kinda trouble..If you have trouble reading people to begin with, then a neutral expression is gonna be no help. What with my low self-esteem, I would always ask him if he was mad at me..and he would say that he wasn't mad at me till I asked him if he was...bad viscious cycle things like that would happen...

But over the years we have synced up..to where that kinda stuff doesn't happen anymore..
We can sorta tell what the other is feeling.



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13 Oct 2008, 2:29 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:

How long have you been together?
In the early months of my long-time relationship, we sorta had this kinda trouble..If you have trouble reading people to begin with, then a neutral expression is gonna be no help. What with my low self-esteem, I would always ask him if he was mad at me..and he would say that he wasn't mad at me till I asked him if he was...bad viscious cycle things like that would happen...

But over the years we have synced up..to where that kinda stuff doesn't happen anymore..
We can sorta tell what the other is feeling.


We've been together for a little over a year now. I also used to do that thing where I'd ask if I'd done something wrong, but not having to do that as often lately. He's making more of an effort to tell me straight out. Thing is, I've always had a pretty good idea of how he felt about me. I could pick it up from the way he'd look at me or touch me. I guess it's more of a self-esteem issue on my part too, because I just sometimes find it difficult to believe that my instincts are correct, and it's hard to get that extra little bit of reassurance.



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13 Oct 2008, 3:12 pm

You might find that that sort of neediness (as in need for reassuring)...and insecurity...may prove to be a bit of a stumbling block and a stressor on the relationship. It might be a good idea to try to work yourself out of that mindset. It is possible, and once you have that less bit of stress in your mind, things might be easier for you....only saying this because I have been there...
It may take time..and allowing certain things to sink in that are difficult to sink in....like the fact that you are an asset to your boyfriend's life, otherwise he wouldn't be with you..

hope that makes sense...