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HAL_9000
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21 Jan 2009, 4:56 pm

You've figured out that it's pretty likely you're going end up dying and not knowing anyone? It's like... I quite literally do not converse with anyone in life except three people. These people are not my friends. I have no idea how to make friends and haven't really ever had any. This obviously does not bode well on the dating front. It's kind of a double problem, in the sense that I not only have to contend with trying to find people and get to know them (and doing it badly), but I also have to contend with myself, because I am not comfortable being around other people.

People will say that there's someone out there or you'll get some friends eventually. I like to term this lying and it is not a white lie, either. I fail to see what's going to change in the future, when things haven't changed for 11 years or something. I'm kind of wondering what hell I do here. I don't know how to converse with people, I don't know how to act around them. I'd go so far as to say the average person would probably see me as handicapped. And who wants to date someone who seems handicapped, except for some kind of sick joke?

I'm trying to find solutions to this problem, except I'm not having much luck.



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21 Jan 2009, 5:53 pm

If all you need is mere friendship, I suggest finding a local church, temple, or community center (whatever fits your particular faith, be it Christian, Jewish, Athiest, or whatever else under the sun) to join... for all the particular crazy groups that are out there, there are just as many that are actually quite level-headed and sane, and if you find the right group, you'll be accepted for who you are, without prejudice (I am as such at my church)...

If you're looking for something a bit more intimate, however, I can't help you... I'm probably going to die without ever feeling the presence of a significant partner in my life...



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23 Jan 2009, 11:16 am

Aw, guys - don't give up hope! :). Do you mind if I make a suggestion? I went through this a couple of years ago. Someone suggested that I do this, and it worked: I literally forced myself to go our once or twice a week to events that were designed for meeting/talking to people for one month. I went to sites like "going.com" and "meetup.com" and just went. Sometimes I met people and had a good time, sometimes I did not. But I stayed at each event for 1 hour regardless. I had a magazine with me just in case I had to sit there and amuse myself with a beer for that whole hour.



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23 Jan 2009, 12:29 pm

What's better? Hoping for miracles your whole life and getting disappointed and miserable when they don't happen, or coming to terms with reality?



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24 Jan 2009, 2:24 pm

is that you can't expect to have meaningful relationships with people if you
1) never attempt to meet anyone
2) attempt to mold yourself into what you imagine someone else wants
3) feel that you're unworthy to be loved or appreciated

The best advice I could give is to try to meet people who like what you like. Join a book club or archeology club or a matrix fan club... that's how the NT's do it, it's just that there are more of them LOL.
I went for very long periods of time without so much as a friend. I worked on liking myself and learned to blame other people for hurting me when they did, rather than thinking I was crap. I worked on appreciating people who maybe didn't want to be in a relationship with me but instead of judging me, felt that I was a great person but we just had very little in common. And I have a best friend now who happens to be my husband as well. Is our relationship perfect? No. But they never are. It's the closest and best of my life and I wouldn't have it if I didn't go back out there with my head in the right place.



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24 Jan 2009, 3:08 pm

I agree with what ToadofSteel said.



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24 Jan 2009, 5:52 pm

If you really want something, you need to be proactive. You shouldn't have to worry about acting a certain way, because you want someone who likes you for who you are. How did you meet the 3 people you know now?
I find work is a good way to meet people, that way you can get to know people over time with nothing at stake.



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24 Jan 2009, 8:44 pm

My dad once said to me that whenever he moves to a new town, he goes to the nearest pub and sits at the bar with a book. More often than not, ppl asked him what he was reading, and conversation started from there.

I've tried to read a book at the bar before, but didn't want to converse with ppl, and they still tried to make conversation.

Maybe try it? At least if it doesn't work, you can go home drunk!


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24 Jan 2009, 8:56 pm

I'm not sure what the answer is hal but I'm sure there is a way for you to meet someone. Whether it will be by you attending cooking classes, learning a musical instrument, going swimming or what I don't know.

I have to say I think the previous poster's suggestion to read a book at a bar is a really good one. I've never tried it but it makes sense. If you read something you like and someone else likes it they might start chatting to you and have lots in common.



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24 Jan 2009, 10:57 pm

HAL_9000 wrote:
You've figured out that it's pretty likely you're going end up dying and not knowing anyone? It's like... I quite literally do not converse with anyone in life except three people. These people are not my friends. I have no idea how to make friends and haven't really ever had any. This obviously does not bode well on the dating front. It's kind of a double problem, in the sense that I not only have to contend with trying to find people and get to know them (and doing it badly), but I also have to contend with myself, because I am not comfortable being around other people.

People will say that there's someone out there or you'll get some friends eventually. I like to term this lying and it is not a white lie, either. I fail to see what's going to change in the future, when things haven't changed for 11 years or something. I'm kind of wondering what hell I do here. I don't know how to converse with people, I don't know how to act around them. I'd go so far as to say the average person would probably see me as handicapped. And who wants to date someone who seems handicapped, except for some kind of sick joke?

I'm trying to find solutions to this problem, except I'm not having much luck.


I learned to fake conversations by listening to other people both in real life and by watching television. It's not easy at first and sometimes it feels like I am acting but it does seem to work.

Try it on people that aren't important first. Like in a coffee shop or something like that. Look around the area, see something like a plant. Then say something to the nearest person like: "I like that plant, I wonder what kind of plant it is, I saw one of those when I was on vacation in Florida." Now the the other person has three things to talk about. (Plant, Vacation, Florida.) What ever they say find a question to keep them talking. Just keep them talking by making questions on what they are saying. It gets boring to do this for me, but NT's love to talk about themselves. So, fix a stupid smile on your face, try not to fidget and nod excitedly no matter how much they are boring you. Remember every NT stranger that you meet is practice to be able to talk to some one that you really want to talk to. It's not easy but when you figure out the right questions to ask to keep them talking, you will be ready to talk to people that you want to talk to.



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24 Jan 2009, 11:28 pm

taintedangelboy wrote:
HAL_9000 wrote:
You've figured out that it's pretty likely you're going end up dying and not knowing anyone? It's like... I quite literally do not converse with anyone in life except three people. These people are not my friends. I have no idea how to make friends and haven't really ever had any. This obviously does not bode well on the dating front. It's kind of a double problem, in the sense that I not only have to contend with trying to find people and get to know them (and doing it badly), but I also have to contend with myself, because I am not comfortable being around other people.

People will say that there's someone out there or you'll get some friends eventually. I like to term this lying and it is not a white lie, either. I fail to see what's going to change in the future, when things haven't changed for 11 years or something. I'm kind of wondering what hell I do here. I don't know how to converse with people, I don't know how to act around them. I'd go so far as to say the average person would probably see me as handicapped. And who wants to date someone who seems handicapped, except for some kind of sick joke?

I'm trying to find solutions to this problem, except I'm not having much luck.


I learned to fake conversations by listening to other people both in real life and by watching television. It's not easy at first and sometimes it feels like I am acting but it does seem to work.

Try it on people that aren't important first. Like in a coffee shop or something like that. Look around the area, see something like a plant. Then say something to the nearest person like: "I like that plant, I wonder what kind of plant it is, I saw one of those when I was on vacation in Florida." Now the the other person has three things to talk about. (Plant, Vacation, Florida.) What ever they say find a question to keep them talking. Just keep them talking by making questions on what they are saying. It gets boring to do this for me, but NT's love to talk about themselves. So, fix a stupid smile on your face, try not to fidget and nod excitedly no matter how much they are boring you. Remember every NT stranger that you meet is practice to be able to talk to some one that you really want to talk to. It's not easy but when you figure out the right questions to ask to keep them talking, you will be ready to talk to people that you want to talk to.

Thats what I started doing at a very young age and thus now I am totally "normal" (by social aspects) to the point that if I say I have AS people thinking its a sick joke....(lol one reason I dont tell most unless I speak in front of parents who have kids with AS).



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25 Jan 2009, 1:31 am

IF you like music and can bring yourself to going to concerts, that would be a great place to make like minded friends. I get hellos all of the time if I go to a show.



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25 Jan 2009, 9:57 am

Heartcooksbrain wrote:
IF you like music and can bring yourself to going to concerts, that would be a great place to make like minded friends. I get hellos all of the time if I go to a show.

On the plus side depending on the concert everyone is too stone, high and or drunk to even notice any minor social weirdness (just kidding). But seriously a good way is to go to places with people and force your self to talk to people, Ive talked to others and they just ask "How do your force yourself?!" I just tell them STOP thinking about how awkward it is and once you see how normal it is after a while (depends on the person) you will feel comfortable doing it.