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26 Mar 2009, 4:48 pm

so I am a NT been with a aspie man for over a year he loves me and i love him. He wants to be with me forever and I want to be with him forever but he never wants to get married and I want a dream wedding I have been planning my wedding since 15. And I am the only child so i told my mom that he never wants to get married she said to leave him cuz she always wanted to help her only child plan a wedding. How do u deal with this.



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26 Mar 2009, 5:12 pm

Logically explain to him the benefits of being married. Not only the emotional ones but the financial and security ones. Explain to him how important this is to you and that you want to be married. If he still refuses then you have a decision to make. Since you can't change someone's opinion, you have to decide if you can live with that or will you have resentment. Would you be able to live with him without marriage?

If not, then you'll have to break up and move on. If marriage and children are important to you, then you have to follow your heart.

It sounds like you want the ceremony and the fanfare of a wedding rather than the emotional benefits. Maybe you could throw a big party instead.


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26 Mar 2009, 5:18 pm

everyxthing wrote:
so I am a NT been with a aspie man for over a year he loves me and i love him. He wants to be with me forever and I want to be with him forever but he never wants to get married and I want a dream wedding I have been planning my wedding since 15. And I am the only child so i told my mom that he never wants to get married she said to leave him cuz she always wanted to help her only child plan a wedding. How do u deal with this.


Did he ever explain why he didn't want to get married? Is it more a material issue (i.e. he doesn't feel prudent to spend that much money), a nervous issue (after all, a wedding ceremony is a very social event, and a reception even more so), or is there some other reason behind it?



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26 Mar 2009, 5:27 pm

hm sorry for not being very _helpful_ in my reply, but i understand the both of you equally.

maybe there could be a compromise?

you want a "dream wedding", and such an idea scares the hell out of me as well, i think most aspies.
he wants NO wedding, which scares you

why not go for a ... medium wedding?
you get the actual wedding, family present, priest, "kiss the bride" etc
and he gets a less grand-and-crowded scenario?
would that work out for any of you?


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26 Mar 2009, 7:48 pm

Hmm just wanted to clarify... is he refusing to get married, or is he refusing to have a wedding?

Some of the folks posting here seem to think it's the latter, but I'm wondering if it's the former?

If it's the former, I'm wondering if he doesn't want to get married because he would feel locked into something involuntarily? I'm sure he's very faithful and would never think of leaving you, so he'll want to be with you on his own free will. He might not be able to bear the thought that he may be trapped in something that he would've chosen to be in anyway.

If he is ok with the social aspects of a wedding but not the religious or legal binding associated with marriage, then I agree wtih Butterflair about the big party idea, as well as the rational explanation of the benefits of marriage.


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26 Mar 2009, 9:45 pm

Give it more time, maybe he will come around and see things your way, but don't wait too long, or you won't be being true to yourself if you really know in your heart that you want to actually live a married life, and that it is not just some enchantment with the pageant of a wedding event.

Don't let this be your future: Fast forward to when you are 33 and still "living together happily ever after" without the benefit of a binding legal agreement securing you as his "legal significant other" empowered to make decisions on his behalf if necessary, etc. etc. etc., and your clock is ticking to have children (but, turns out, he doesn't want THOSE either) and you find you're ashamed of the fact that everyone you know has been hounding you for years asking you when you are finally going to get married and for some reason you find yourself feeling you are not "good enough" for this joker to do the honorable thing and marry you, and all of your options seem like they're gone because you have wasted the best years of your life "just living with" the man of your dreams.

I have seen this thing from ALL POSSIBLE SIDES, and it is ugly no matter how you look at it. When my mother died, I attended a support group for a while to get me through the rough parts of the grieving process of my first year. It was a place where people would gather and meet to talk through some of their grieving issues with gentle folks who had similar needs. Everyone grieves differently, and maybe I am harping on too long about this, but, can you guess who went to these groups? Number one: other folks who had lost their mothers, or who had lost someone they were the primary care-giver for, and hands down, WOMEN WHO WERE "just living with their significant others" NOT MARRIED and their significant other died leaving them with friends and family members who seemed somehow to NOT VALUE their loss as much because, you know, "Charlie wasn't actually Mary's husband, they just lived together in sin for 15 years..." Sadly, even within our group there were women (the few women who lost ACTUAL HUSBANDS) who also harbored this hostility toward the women who "only lost their longterm boyfriends." The #1 regret of the women who "only lost" their longterm significant others? Right. They wished they had gone through the trouble to get married.



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26 Mar 2009, 10:23 pm

everyxthing wrote:
so I am a NT been with a aspie man for over a year he loves me and i love him. He wants to be with me forever and I want to be with him forever but he never wants to get married and I want a dream wedding I have been planning my wedding since 15. And I am the only child so i told my mom that he never wants to get married she said to leave him cuz she always wanted to help her only child plan a wedding. How do u deal with this.


Do not obsess over it. Erect healthy barriers between you and your mom. You have plenty of time to get married. What would a wedding change, anyway?


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26 Mar 2009, 10:52 pm

Sandeep wrote:
Give it more time, maybe he will come around and see things your way, but don't wait too long, or you won't be being true to yourself if you really know in your heart that you want to actually live a married life, and that it is not just some enchantment with the pageant of a wedding event.

Don't let this be your future: Fast forward to when you are 33 and still "living together happily ever after" without the benefit of a binding legal agreement securing you as his "legal significant other" empowered to make decisions on his behalf if necessary, etc. etc. etc., and your clock is ticking to have children (but, turns out, he doesn't want THOSE either) and you find you're ashamed of the fact that everyone you know has been hounding you for years asking you when you are finally going to get married and for some reason you find yourself feeling you are not "good enough" for this joker to do the honorable thing and marry you, and all of your options seem like they're gone because you have wasted the best years of your life "just living with" the man of your dreams.

I have seen this thing from ALL POSSIBLE SIDES, and it is ugly no matter how you look at it. When my mother died, I attended a support group for a while to get me through the rough parts of the grieving process of my first year. It was a place where people would gather and meet to talk through some of their grieving issues with gentle folks who had similar needs. Everyone grieves differently, and maybe I am harping on too long about this, but, can you guess who went to these groups? Number one: other folks who had lost their mothers, or who had lost someone they were the primary care-giver for, and hands down, WOMEN WHO WERE "just living with their significant others" NOT MARRIED and their significant other died leaving them with friends and family members who seemed somehow to NOT VALUE their loss as much because, you know, "Charlie wasn't actually Mary's husband, they just lived together in sin for 15 years..." Sadly, even within our group there were women (the few women who lost ACTUAL HUSBANDS) who also harbored this hostility toward the women who "only lost their longterm boyfriends." The #1 regret of the women who "only lost" their longterm significant others? Right. They wished they had gone through the trouble to get married.


Everyxthing,

Sandeep's evaluation is completely based on culture, and is not an absolute. For the record, in other countries like Norway, long-term cohabitation of faithful unmarried couples is very common. If you're in the US, yes it's less common, but you know going into a relationship with an Aspie that the relationship is never going to be common.

Also the last example about unmarried women going to support groups because their long-term significant others died is, from an AS perspective, a very poor support in favor of marriage. Those "friends" turned their back on the woman who lost the person she loved, that's the bottom line, and I think that says considerably more about the people that woman had around her, than it does about marriage as an institution. If you had those kinds of "friends," do you really think they'd accept your AS man even if you did get married to him? Let's not kid ourselves. Don't let "shame" dictate what you want to do, otherwise why even be with an Aspie in the first place?

It's best to get married because of good things, because it can offer benefits -- exactly as Butterflair described. Getting married to avoid bad things -- as Sandeep is basically describing -- is never going to be as healthy as getting married for positive reasons. Everyxthing, I think it's awesome that you've found love in an Aspie. I'm sure you know from being with him and the various ASD resources out there that this relationship is not going to be like being with an NT. Of course you know yourself best, and you know what is most important to you. Whether you choose to get married to him, to stay unmarried with him, or to leave him, I wish you and your man lots of luck and happiness!


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26 Mar 2009, 10:58 pm

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And I am the only child so i told my mom that he never wants to get married she said to leave him cuz she always wanted to help her only child plan a wedding. How do u deal with this.


First of all, a mother cannot, SHOULD NOT, tell her daughter how to run her life, or any action to take, based on the mother's desires. Whether or not you're an only child, this is you and your boyfriend's decision.

Second of all, I also raise the question that Stinkypuppy brought up regarding getting married versus having a wedding. Get back to us on this, because they're separate issues. All I can say is that, being a female, I know that it's all too common for girls to "plan" their ideal weddings since they're young; however, being "different" (I have some Asperger's in me, evidently), I never wanted to get married, and I never looked forward to a big, important wedding. It's just not appealing. Probably isn't to him, either.



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26 Mar 2009, 11:46 pm

Logical Explanation seconded.

You want it to be forever... great ... this is how you make it "forever".
Actually, you might want to consider buying a house together and then saying that ... we're already "legally married".

Write to him - sometimes it's easier to ask questions in writing.

Why don't you want to get married?

It might be the wedding itself that worries him, not the fact that you'll be married. If that's the case, you might be able to reach a good compromise.

Failing all that... Leave him. No... seriously... Leave him until he's ready to sort it out. If he's willing to love you forever, then he'll be willing to make some "sacrifices". You just might have to force his hand.



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27 Mar 2009, 2:15 am

There's a lot of advice flying around here... let me ask - why doesn't he want to get married?


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