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18 Apr 2009, 10:53 pm

so... the online-love-thing i had on and off (insert mass laughter) keeps crawling up from its tomb, to torment me.

i had decided not to be in love w people, cus it strains me. she convinced me to change that kind of thinking, and well, fast foreward a bit, and im back allone, and the only way i have to stop missing her, is to resent her for repeatedly f*****g me over, and being totally nonchalant about f*****g me over.

little gems such as TELLING me she wanted to screw this guy, as some sort of good news, while we were still "a couple", totally insane s**t.

she came on today, and i tried again to tell her how im not gonna just jump back at her, just because she's single again. for all i know, shes not even single, but just wants me along w her other guys. i just cant deal with it anymore.
i told her im up for some chitchat if she needs to, but she keeps sending me flirty and loving messages, and i _KNOW_ that if i give her as much as a single positive reply to those, she will forget everything, and f**k me right over again, cus it happened before.

some months ago, she did "get me back". i told her "allright" and the N E X T D A Y, everything was forgotten, and she was on about other guys, and i spotted off a internet poll thing she POSTED IN PUBLIC, some weeks later, that she's been doing some dude the same day she convinced me to "take her back" and probably the following days as well.

now

this girl gets banged up and f*****g down, and left to right.
she travels the f*****g globe to bang guys (she just wont travel where i live... )

WHY does she contact me?
WHAT does she need ME for?

the INSTANT i acknowledge her, she forgets me, drop me like a rock, and treats me like air.

is that ALL she needs? why cant she get that acknowledgement from someone else? i feel the resentment bubbling up whenever i see her shy little "hi... *muah*" messages, as if im gonna just jump right back at her, over some childish i-love-you crap.

i tried to explain all this to her today, she kept asking for a "when", and i had to put it like "the day you stop screwing around with everyone else" and added that a person is what a person is, and that im not keeping my hopes up for it. and neither should she. she kept giving me the impression that she WANTS to cheat and screw around, and wants me to be happy with such a half-assed relationship.. then my msn kept logging itself off, and ruined everything.

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18 Apr 2009, 11:28 pm

She's one of those users... I say ignore her from now on... completely... If she says anything, never respond... She's not worth it...



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18 Apr 2009, 11:35 pm

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She's one of those users... I say ignore her from now on... completely... If she says anything, never respond... She's not worth it...


i JUST re-accepted her on facebook :( like, 5 seconds ago...

and i felt that stinging sensation when i did it...

its easyer said that done to drop her, but i DID, i _blocked_ her off my msn, removed her from facebook, and deleted her phone number

i was even starting to cope with having erased her from my reality, but when she CALLED on my phone, i mistook the country number for spain, and thought my spanish family was calling me. i picked up, and she sobbed me into at least un-blocking her and stuff. she DOES remind me of what she CAN be, and that makes me miss her.

i just wish she would let it be. today wasnt the first time i explained it to her: she cant just "get me back" when TRUST IS SHATTERED, shes almost a stranger to me now, when it comes to emotional attachment. its all gone, except for a tiny little knot, thats of course aching and bothersome..

i miss what was good tho, and what i wanted it to become...
emotions vs common sense :(

and common sense says your right, block and ignore her. ah well, she will probably make me block her again, sooner or later... :(


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18 Apr 2009, 11:54 pm

well, I will say this for you, you ARE having a relationship. Not the one you wanted, but . . .


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19 Apr 2009, 12:04 am

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well, I will say this for you, you ARE having a relationship. Not the one you wanted, but . . .


Merle


thats the feeling i have myself. i want it to end, but i dont want her to be "dead" in my mind. she meant a lot to me, and she has some good, underneath the TOTAL confusion that is the rest of her...

there is nothing left of the "love" tho... i cant even bring myself to fake a smiley to her good night messages, cus all i feel is resentment. emotionally i want her back in my life, but logically i know it will _litterally_ not last two days.

i just want her to stop telling me she loves me, cus it messes with my head. i want her to quit all the subtle cuddly messages, the kissy-smileys, the winks, all that crap, because its totally out of place. its as if she has completely forgotten that she JUST screwed me over.

as i said, the relationship is like a living-dead that keeps crawling out of the tomb. i keep whacking it over the head w a shovel, pushing stakes through its heart, and cutting of its head. the next full moon, it crawls back up again...
needless to say, an image THAT romantic, isnt what i want...


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19 Apr 2009, 12:08 am

Very true... and what you say reminds me of my experience with my first long term adult relationship. In her, I saw glimpses of the person she was when there weren't all the other worries in place... and in the end, she ended up turning into a drone in the mold of her family. It's sad, but I remember the person I loved instead of the person who has since taken her place. I find it easier to relate to them as two very different people.

Be clear, be firm, but don't be accusatory if you want the other person to listen to you in kind. Take care of yourself.


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19 Apr 2009, 12:34 am

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Very true... and what you say reminds me of my experience with my first long term adult relationship. In her, I saw glimpses of the person she was when there weren't all the other worries in place... and in the end, she ended up turning into a drone in the mold of her family. It's sad, but I remember the person I loved instead of the person who has since taken her place. I find it easier to relate to them as two very different people.

Be clear, be firm, but don't be accusatory if you want the other person to listen to you in kind. Take care of yourself.


M.


thanks. i am definitely seeing what your describing, especially as time goes by. what makes it difficult is that my pesky subconcious/emotions seems to still wanna hang on to her, despite my crushing logical conclusions.

i DID cut her off, and very harshly, and i cought myself "secretly" hoping for her to throw herself at my feet, begging, which she basically ended up doing. twice. and both times, i got a confusing "oh no... " feeling.

i guess the "oh no... " feeling is what i should listen to. your right. be clear, firm, but also fair about it. ive accused her enough, and its not about that anymore.


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19 Apr 2009, 12:45 am

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i just want her to stop telling me she loves me, cus it messes with my head. i want her to quit all the subtle cuddly messages, the kissy-smileys, the winks, all that crap, because its totally out of place. its as if she has completely forgotten that she JUST screwed me over.
...


She knows she is messing with your head and she knows how to mess with your head. This is what she does with people she likes and this is what she likes to do. If you were the one she was going to be different with and change for, to straighten up and fly right - you would already be having that relationship.

stick around WP. We like ya' for just being you.
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19 Apr 2009, 12:53 am

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ZEGH8578 wrote:

i just want her to stop telling me she loves me, cus it messes with my head. i want her to quit all the subtle cuddly messages, the kissy-smileys, the winks, all that crap, because its totally out of place. its as if she has completely forgotten that she JUST screwed me over.
...


She knows she is messing with your head and she knows how to mess with your head. This is what she does with people she likes and this is what she likes to do. If you were the one she was going to be different with and change for, to straighten up and fly right - you would already be having that relationship.

stick around WP. We like ya' for just being you.
:)
Merle


you are absolutely right. in the time she has insisted to love me, she would arrange travels and meetings w other guys. should say enough, but at the time she spoke herself out of it, again and again...
love makes blind!

and yes, im gonna stick around, you guys are total weirdos, and i couldnt feel more home anywhere else :D


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19 Apr 2009, 1:05 am

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and yes, im gonna stick around, you guys are total weirdos, and i couldnt feel more home anywhere else :D


you betcha! and right back atcha! :wink:

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19 Apr 2009, 1:13 am

I spent... well, over ten years dealing with my feelings for that particular person. We met in high school, dated... after years apart, dated again for a couple years. Even afterward, she kept me at a distance... later realized that was her pattern, her safety... to keep someone in reserve, to have an escape. That someone cared for her was what mattered, not my feelings. It was a tough realization. Words and actions both have meanings; you have to choose which matter to you.


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19 Apr 2009, 1:26 am

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so... the online-love-thing i had on and off (insert mass laughter) keeps crawling up from its tomb, to torment me.

i had decided not to be in love w people, cus it strains me. she convinced me to change that kind of thinking, and well, fast foreward a bit, and im back allone, and the only way i have to stop missing her, is to resent her for repeatedly f***ing me over, and being totally nonchalant about f***ing me over.

little gems such as TELLING me she wanted to screw this guy, as some sort of good news, while we were still "a couple", totally insane sh**.

she came on today, and i tried again to tell her how im not gonna just jump back at her, just because she's single again. for all i know, shes not even single, but just wants me along w her other guys. i just cant deal with it anymore.
i told her im up for some chitchat if she needs to, but she keeps sending me flirty and loving messages, and i _KNOW_ that if i give her as much as a single positive reply to those, she will forget everything, and f**k me right over again, cus it happened before.

some months ago, she did "get me back". i told her "allright" and the N E X T D A Y, everything was forgotten, and she was on about other guys, and i spotted off a internet poll thing she POSTED IN PUBLIC, some weeks later, that she's been doing some dude the same day she convinced me to "take her back" and probably the following days as well.

now

this girl gets banged up and f***ing down, and left to right.
she travels the f***ing globe to bang guys (she just wont travel where i live... )

WHY does she contact me?
WHAT does she need ME for?

the INSTANT i acknowledge her, she forgets me, drop me like a rock, and treats me like air.

is that ALL she needs? why cant she get that acknowledgement from someone else? i feel the resentment bubbling up whenever i see her shy little "hi... *muah*" messages, as if im gonna just jump right back at her, over some childish i-love-you crap.

i tried to explain all this to her today, she kept asking for a "when", and i had to put it like "the day you stop screwing around with everyone else" and added that a person is what a person is, and that im not keeping my hopes up for it. and neither should she. she kept giving me the impression that she WANTS to cheat and screw around, and wants me to be happy with such a half-assed relationship.. then my msn kept logging itself off, and ruined everything.

:(



My advice would be this- cut her off completely! She has shown that she is highly unstable and extremely foolish to be fooling around with multiple guys. She has shown her immaturity, and although a person can change, it is unlikely unless something dramatic happens, they won't change readily.

As long as you allow her to be your friend, she'll probably try to control and manipulate you. If you ignore her and pretend she's not even there, if she's smart, she'll give up this vain pursuit. I would not suggest playing into her hand.



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19 Apr 2009, 1:33 am

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I spent... well, over ten years dealing with my feelings for that particular person. We met in high school, dated... after years apart, dated again for a couple years. Even afterward, she kept me at a distance... later realized that was her pattern, her safety... to keep someone in reserve, to have an escape. That someone cared for her was what mattered, not my feelings. It was a tough realization. Words and actions both have meanings; you have to choose which matter to you.


M.


yes, i get that as well. the nothing-but-a-safety-net feeling. and indeed, i got the words and i watched her work her ass off for other guys instead.

AutisticMalcontent yes, i know. i JUST re-accepted her on my facebook now tho. what pains me is that she probably doesnt have THAT much of a clue what a pain in the ass she is. i doubt it, shes messed up, not plain evil. cutting her off while we are in fact talking... it would be brutal. necesary yes, but brutal. i guess its my little dilemma. but your absolutely right.


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19 Apr 2009, 1:40 am

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makuranososhi wrote:
I spent... well, over ten years dealing with my feelings for that particular person. We met in high school, dated... after years apart, dated again for a couple years. Even afterward, she kept me at a distance... later realized that was her pattern, her safety... to keep someone in reserve, to have an escape. That someone cared for her was what mattered, not my feelings. It was a tough realization. Words and actions both have meanings; you have to choose which matter to you.


M.


yes, i get that as well. the nothing-but-a-safety-net feeling. and indeed, i got the words and i watched her work her ass off for other guys instead.

AutisticMalcontent yes, i know. i JUST re-accepted her on my facebook now tho. what pains me is that she probably doesnt have THAT much of a clue what a pain in the ass she is. i doubt it, shes messed up, not plain evil. cutting her off while we are in fact talking... it would be brutal. necesary yes, but brutal. i guess its my little dilemma. but your absolutely right.


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19 Apr 2009, 1:52 am

ZEGH8578 wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
I spent... well, over ten years dealing with my feelings for that particular person. We met in high school, dated... after years apart, dated again for a couple years. Even afterward, she kept me at a distance... later realized that was her pattern, her safety... to keep someone in reserve, to have an escape. That someone cared for her was what mattered, not my feelings. It was a tough realization. Words and actions both have meanings; you have to choose which matter to you.


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yes, i get that as well. the nothing-but-a-safety-net feeling. and indeed, i got the words and i watched her work her ass off for other guys instead.

AutisticMalcontent yes, i know. i JUST re-accepted her on my facebook now tho. what pains me is that she probably doesnt have THAT much of a clue what a pain in the ass she is. i doubt it, shes messed up, not plain evil. cutting her off while we are in fact talking... it would be brutal. necesary yes, but brutal. i guess its my little dilemma. but your absolutely right.


Lol, brutality? Yes, it is brutal, but sometimes people don't get the message until they get a healthy dose of reality.

I'm trying to think of what I would do in your situation. You already added her back to Facebook, so taking her off right then and there would be excessively cruel, right?

Well this might work in your favor. If you delete her from Facebook (I don't mean block her, just delete her as a friend),, she will see that she has been deleted, and more than likely will send you an email back saying "I thought we were cool,why did you delete me off Facebook?!"

And then comes the finale, the climax, the fortissimo. You say "You want to know why I deleted you? Well it is because you are always fooling around with other guys and you fool around with me emotionally, and I'm sick of it, I've had enough! You know, I've always been good to you and cared about you, but you have always betrayed my trust and have ignored me. I need to have some alone time, and you need to think about what is important in your life."

That's like a Mike Tyson Left Hook or a Lennox Lewis Overhand Right, either way, it will deliver a knockout of a statement, and if she is smart, she'll take time to reflect on all she has said and done. Bellisimo!



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19 Apr 2009, 2:09 am

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ZEGH8578 wrote:
makuranososhi wrote:
I spent... well, over ten years dealing with my feelings for that particular person. We met in high school, dated... after years apart, dated again for a couple years. Even afterward, she kept me at a distance... later realized that was her pattern, her safety... to keep someone in reserve, to have an escape. That someone cared for her was what mattered, not my feelings. It was a tough realization. Words and actions both have meanings; you have to choose which matter to you.


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yes, i get that as well. the nothing-but-a-safety-net feeling. and indeed, i got the words and i watched her work her ass off for other guys instead.

AutisticMalcontent yes, i know. i JUST re-accepted her on my facebook now tho. what pains me is that she probably doesnt have THAT much of a clue what a pain in the ass she is. i doubt it, shes messed up, not plain evil. cutting her off while we are in fact talking... it would be brutal. necesary yes, but brutal. i guess its my little dilemma. but your absolutely right.


Lol, brutality? Yes, it is brutal, but sometimes people don't get the message until they get a healthy dose of reality.

I'm trying to think of what I would do in your situation. You already added her back to Facebook, so taking her off right then and there would be excessively cruel, right?

Well this might work in your favor. If you delete her from Facebook (I don't mean block her, just delete her as a friend),, she will see that she has been deleted, and more than likely will send you an email back saying "I thought we were cool,why did you delete me off Facebook?!"

And then comes the finale, the climax, the fortissimo. You say "You want to know why I deleted you? Well it is because you are always fooling around with other guys and you fool around with me emotionally, and I'm sick of it, I've had enough! You know, I've always been good to you and cared about you, but you have always betrayed my trust and have ignored me. I need to have some alone time, and you need to think about what is important in your life."

That's like a Mike Tyson Left Hook or a Lennox Lewis Overhand Right, either way, it will deliver a knockout of a statement, and if she is smart, she'll take time to reflect on all she has said and done. Bellisimo!


ive told her all of that, but she brushes it aside, and expects it to be forgotten and forgiven.
anyway... its dead. i know it, she doesnt, but she will.

i know the answers, but it helps a lot to have them confirmed,
thanx for your support guys! :]


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