I’m backward. Not slow. I'm coming from the other side.

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20 Aug 2008, 8:23 pm

Continuing from the thread, "Does anyone have social anxiety disorder?"
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt71671.html

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...What makes me doubt I have social anxiety is that it is compounded with a poor social compass, I find human interactions perplexing. Added to that my brain has always been wired around interests, almost a zeal for it, interests come before friending or making friends. Often making a friend would come secondary to sharing an interest, almost hunting friends with common interests. Also my emotions are decentered, I find it difficult to handle emotions or speak in an emotional way with people (it works both ways), even with close relatives. I avoid it altogether or put it at the back of the mind, which is wrong and can lead to a negave spiral...

This seems related to my feeling that I’m backward.

Most people, when they meet someone new, ask the questions in this order:
Do you like me? Do I like you? Do you respect me? Do I respect you?

When I meet someone new, my questions are the exact opposite.
Do I respect you? Do you respect me? Do I like you? Do you like me?

Does this make sense to anyone?



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20 Aug 2008, 8:59 pm

I do it that way as well. In the same order.



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20 Aug 2008, 9:00 pm

I do it that way as well, although I'm not sure how backward that really is.


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21 Aug 2008, 12:59 am

I dont pay it much mind. Later I remember that I am supposed to give them a reason to like me.


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21 Aug 2008, 3:10 am

I'm not sure what I think, it's either naive friendliness or suppressed terror.



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21 Aug 2008, 10:13 am

This might be what Temple Grandin (author) is talking about when she says she "thinks like an animal." I'm sure that most people read that and think she means "more primitive." To me, that was a total turn-off. At first, all I saw was a simple Uncle Tom, groveling and tap-dancing for the amusement of the audience. But now I don't think that's what she meant at all.

For me, it's like a diver meeting a cuttlefish. (Probably the most intelligent non-mammal on the planet.) There is a definite curiosity when they look at each other. Two intelligent species meet and ask, "what are you?"
If I could be an anthropologist at 1000 leagues under the sea, I can almost imagine getting past the "what are you" questions and eventually moving on to the "do you like me" questions. We might not hang out and play video games, but maybe they have a social equivalent. Too bad I can't change colors.

I told the story of a co-worker, Janet, in "The 'Science' of Body Language."
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt74750.html

The boss in that situation was fascinating. He had a military background and superficial attitude (usually an instant turn-off) but there was more to him underneath it all. An intelligence and a compassion. He was practical. He ran a tight ship, but somehow it was liberating rather than oppressive. I kept asking myself, "why is this working?" I was in full, "what are you" mode the whole time I was there. I liked him, even though I never really finished the "what are you" phase.



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21 Aug 2008, 4:27 pm

Nova: cuttlefish
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/camo/

NewScientist: Do you speak cuttlefish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnhc1KALHxE



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19 Sep 2008, 12:13 pm

On second thought... (comment a month later)

I forgot about Maslow in this.
I don't know how to insert a picture, so here's a link.

Maslow's hieracgy of needs (colorful pyramid):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s ... y_of_needs


For me, the hierachy is scrambled, with bits of each section shooting out like spikes into or above or below other sections.

For example, my teenage son and I got caught in a riptide a couple of years ago. I know how to get out of it for myself, but I couldn't get him to understand and do what I said.
While deeply concerned about my next breath and physically exhausted, I was also philosophically marveling about the mommy instinct that wouldn't allow me to leave him behind. At the same time, I was examing the cool analogy to unrelated issues that would become significantly cooler on the off-chance that we survived. All that, combined with the deep, internal shame of having to call the lifeguard -- me, of all people, needing to be rescued from my best friend, the ocean.

Tell this to a shrink, and he'll probably say that I was seriously confused. But it makes perfect sense to me and seems natural.

Back on that Maslow pyramid, I think these goals might make sense to most people, but the methods are perhaps a more important question.

For example, at the "safety" level, I want to be able to trust, while most people want to be able to control, via physical strength, authority, social/psycho power, whatever. It's not a struggle over any particular thing at the moment, but a need to feel safe in general by establishing the bullying relationship.

(Please excuse me while I go into my arrogant, morally superior mode. I'll come out of it eventually. Or at least, I always have in the past.)

As for how to get out of a riptide, it's mainly about trust. I couldn't count the times I've been there alone, and I have enough experience to know how it works. I just stay up at the surface of the water, keep my body as horizontal as possible, float as much as possible to conserve energy, paddle a little to take advantage of each passing wave, and mostly let the waves bring me home, an inch at a time. Similar to body surfing, but in slow motion.
You can't hope to control an ocean, but you can learn to trust that the rules make sense and don't change with every passing whim of some tyrant.



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19 Sep 2008, 2:07 pm

Oops. Sorry about that. I fixed the typo in the post above.
I said "vertical" when I meant to say "horizontal."
It would make a difference if you're ever in a spot like that.