People liking you but not asking you to hang out with them
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alphalimapapa: Your outlook in the matter seems like one that is very true to everyone who has difficulties in this type of social interaction. Personally, I want to thank you for making everything clearer for me!
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It's no problem. I really feel for you because it happens to NTs all the time as well. It's difficult because I think that most AS people are much more willing to make an effort when it comes to friendship and so it can be really frustrating to feel you are being rebuffed.
My suggestion is when you are chatting to suggest something. Maybe as a group and see how it goes. Like just say ' we should all do lunch one day' or pick something related to what you are chatting about. Don't ask for *now*, like let's do lunch today though if they seem enthusiastic then you can say, well I'm free today. But otherwise it leaves it open enough that you will probably be better able to work out whether or not they are open to something further.
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Call them! I am really bad with this and I know lots of people are. Basically mobiles and email mean that people expect instantaneous responses to communications. And once you miss the 'respectable' time to reply, maybe because you were busy or tired or forgot, it's like you feel too ashamed to reply. A lot of my friends know this - I just emailed someone back after 3 months (!) If someone asks for your phone number, they want to speak to you. They may have lost it (I've done that tons of times), they may have forgotten, they may think that you don't want to be friends with them because they didn't call. They may also not *know* what you want to do. No one really calls to say hi anymore, it's like you call to do stuff. So if they may not know what activities to plan. Next time you see them just say hi and say 'we should grab a coffee sometime'.
This happens when you are not 'cool' enough in order to be included in a group. You might be too odd-looking, too tall, too fat, too short , not funny enough.... you might be out of their league in other term.
You would always notice that group of friends who hang together are usually of the same level of 'looks/social status/humor', they would not like to invite you if you make them appear 'less cool' in front of the society.
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My suggestion is when you are chatting to suggest something. Maybe as a group and see how it goes. Like just say ' we should all do lunch one day' or pick something related to what you are chatting about. Don't ask for *now*, like let's do lunch today though if they seem enthusiastic then you can say, well I'm free today. But otherwise it leaves it open enough that you will probably be better able to work out whether or not they are open to something further.
Great advice! I'll give it a try.
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I used to plan and plot, and try to live correct; lately I do a lot of things that don't make sense. Now I must do what I must do.
That's just how it is. Most people at least think they have enough friends, that they won't be bothered adding new friends to this circle. Alot of people are simply too busy with work and their personal life to go about making friends with acquaintances or strangers. Many of them might only give you a chance if they think they have something to get out of it.
Sometimes you do have to make the first move to see any results. Once you've hung out a few times you might find you really get along well, and the person might think to themselves 'we really do get along well and have fun together' and it might just progress from there.
Just remember that very few people are out to be geniune friends with you. They might chase you if they fancy you in a romantic way, through a shared interest, or for some benefit. Hope this helped!
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Ditto. I'm having a really hard time with this right now. I've been told I've come on way too strong and to back off at my job, but it's hard for me because 1) my job is my special interest, 2) I feel like I fit in so well and it's refreshing and almost intoxicating being there. I would love to make my coworkers my friends, because I thought they were, but I just don't get how to take it outside the doors of the office.
You are totally, totally right. My current job is like that. It's a freaking nightmare. I can't deal with any of that clicky crap. I thought after I was done with high school I would learn to cope in the 'real world' but it did not work out that way because the real world is the same way, for the most part. The only thing I learned how to tell was when people are being mean, I have learned that and have learned not to ignore it, that these are things important to know for my own self-protection. It makes me hate people, it really does. Although I don't really, literally hate people, I swear.
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One thing though, I will not ever indulge in the social networking nightmare out there, hell with it, sorry if I seem negative. It's terrifying. I was on three forums but could not get along with people on the other two, going off on bully types here in general, but now I'm just on this one because I think WP can help me cope overall and can actually provide a therapeutic function by being able to read about other's travails similar to mine.
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I just developed the notion that (this is simply an example), when you are alone and someone is in a group nearby, there is a good chance that that person would like to invite you to join their group and to make you feel welcome in that group, but is halted by the risk of rejection by their group.
I've been studying the concept of 'Belonging' in my English class, and I have begun to contemplate the concept of being consumed by a group. Put simply, that person in the group wants to remain safe in the group.
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I used to plan and plot, and try to live correct; lately I do a lot of things that don't make sense. Now I must do what I must do.
Basically I'm NT but have been lurking because I had a new coworker 'David' who I think is on the spectrum and I wanted to try to understand his behaviour better.
The reason I wanted to post is to say that this is so on point because this is exactly the issue that came up between me and him and I wanted to give the other side of it. You are not required to believe or give me the benefit of the doubt on this (having seen on this forum how badly people are treated, I'm not surprised that everyone thinks the worst of most people they don't know) but I wanted to try and explain the phenomenon a bit, as I see it. I don't know if the people you are around are being honest or what they mean and I'm not sure how clear this is but here goes.
I think it is possible to think people are nice people without wanting to be friends with them. In fact most (NT) people (I think) can maintain an easy camradarie with people who they know, like and think are nice without feeling the need to get to know them better. The thing is that a lot of friendship isn't necessarily about thinking someone is 'nice', it's about what you have in common with them. I believe that shared interests, sense of humour or something is the basis of a good friendship. Sometimes you think people are really nice but you don't have anything in common with them. So even though you can have a nice chat, you don't really have much to say or any need to take it further. I know that it's easy to think that people are being two faced or lying but (speaking for myself) I don't think they are. I think that the reason that we all have a small number of true friends (most people do) is that friendship requires a lot of work and time and effort and many people have limited time and limited energy and there is never enough time in the day. Everyone else, you smile at and speak to and then get on with your day. I don't think it's personal or that people are deliberately lying to you.
It's just that, to most NTs, having small talk with acquaintances is fun. And because of that, it isn't always seen as a means to an end. You can have random conversations with people and the conversation itself is the payoff. If you hate small talk or it's very stressful then it has to be an investment for a larger friendship. But if you enjoy a gossip or saying hi, then when you leave, the social obligation is fulfilled and both partners are happy. So someone on the spectrum may see the 'initial chit chat' as painful but necessary but the NT thinks that they get along fine.
I have to say that if talking to someone isn't fun for you, it may not be fun for the NT either. But they may not think 'AS', they may just think, 'oh, he's a nice guy but we don't have anything in common'.
The last thing is that I think that this happens a LOT between NT people (acquaintance level relationships) but AS people don't notice. They may assume that people are all hanging out together behind their backs, or that because other people chat and get on, they must be all doing stuff together. This is not always true. The bullying, being embarassed or rudeness I can't account for but I do think that if you really believe that these people like you, then it is possible that they do like you, just not in the way you want them to. I'm NT and there are plenty of people I talk to in work but never see outside of work even though I'm sure we'd get along.
I don't want to jump into a thread to try to invalidate your experience but hopefully this is one perspective and answer.
First of all let me say thanks for registering just to respond to this thread. You seem very intelligent and I for one welcome you to post whenever you feel like it.
Second of all if there's one thing about a lot pf Asperger people you should know: we do not want to be friends with people who aren't nice to others. I can categorically state I would NEVER be friends with a person I had common interests with who was a bad person (or rude, or dishonest, or self-centered). People with Asperger's do NOT play politics to get along.
One thing that has been pointed out to me in the last few months is that you really have to work at making and maintaining friendships/social contacts. Must confess that I don't particularly, and the friends I am most with, thinking about it, are the ones who pick up the phone to call me for get togethers.
I have one particular friend who I have known for 20 years, from college days. He was diagnosed as an aspie about 8 years ago. I haven't seen him for about 10 years. But we know we're friends, and the only times he's called me for the last few years is funnily enough, when he's in a war zone. He's a comms engineer, looking after the comms truck for when news crews go out to cover sports events and wars around the world. So there he is, stuck in a bunker or truck, mud and war around him, and he can make free phone calls, as they're labelled as "test calls" for his job. So he calls me.
I laughingly complained once, "Oh yes, sit there in a war, and who do you think of? Me!"
But the point I'm wondering about is whether aspies tend to find the small socialisations quite painful, so don't do them, whilst NTs do them unthinkingly and effortlessly to lots and lots of people, so always have a larger group of friends, and can afford to naturally moult a few every now and again.
Whereas aspies are left wondering why friendships don't happen effortlessly(they feel effortless to NTs, who put in the work without even really thinking about it, like breathing to them), and are more devastated when a friendship ends as they tend to only have a few friends or probably only one or two friends. Do you think this might be the case?
I have characteristics of the Aspergers syndrome. I am undiagnosed. I am an adult male, in my 20's. I live in Australia. The easiest way I believe is to shut the world out and not have to deal with people. Some of us need help, but some of us do not want to be helped.
Being a social outcast and a having few or no friends through out my life has been very difficult. Being bullied at school- it was hell. I always hated being misunderstood and not knowing what my problem was. Loneliness was a killer at first but you grow to accept it.
I have been diagnosed with various different psychiatric illnesses including: Bipolar, borderline personality, anxiety and depression and paranoid schizophrenia. I have taken various medications but they did not work.
Not being able to read body language and interpret people's emotions makes me appear like a weirdo to people. Saying the wrong thing at the wrong time upsets people. People never give you a second chance. I mainly spend most of my time withdrawn from the world, instead of having to deal with the world.
To all those people who have the illness and are struggling in their own world. My heart goes out to you and hope you find the happiness in your lives.
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Basically I'm NT but have been lurking because I had a new coworker 'David' who I think is on the spectrum and I wanted to try to understand his behaviour better.
The reason I wanted to post is to say that this is so on point because this is exactly the issue that came up between me and him and I wanted to give the other side of it. You are not required to believe or give me the benefit of the doubt on this (having seen on this forum how badly people are treated, I'm not surprised that everyone thinks the worst of most people they don't know) but I wanted to try and explain the phenomenon a bit, as I see it. I don't know if the people you are around are being honest or what they mean and I'm not sure how clear this is but here goes.
I think it is possible to think people are nice people without wanting to be friends with them. In fact most (NT) people (I think) can maintain an easy camradarie with people who they know, like and think are nice without feeling the need to get to know them better. The thing is that a lot of friendship isn't necessarily about thinking someone is 'nice', it's about what you have in common with them. I believe that shared interests, sense of humour or something is the basis of a good friendship. Sometimes you think people are really nice but you don't have anything in common with them. So even though you can have a nice chat, you don't really have much to say or any need to take it further. I know that it's easy to think that people are being two faced or lying but (speaking for myself) I don't think they are. I think that the reason that we all have a small number of true friends (most people do) is that friendship requires a lot of work and time and effort and many people have limited time and limited energy and there is never enough time in the day. Everyone else, you smile at and speak to and then get on with your day. I don't think it's personal or that people are deliberately lying to you.
It's just that, to most NTs, having small talk with acquaintances is fun. And because of that, it isn't always seen as a means to an end. You can have random conversations with people and the conversation itself is the payoff. If you hate small talk or it's very stressful then it has to be an investment for a larger friendship. But if you enjoy a gossip or saying hi, then when you leave, the social obligation is fulfilled and both partners are happy. So someone on the spectrum may see the 'initial chit chat' as painful but necessary but the NT thinks that they get along fine.
I have to say that if talking to someone isn't fun for you, it may not be fun for the NT either. But they may not think 'AS', they may just think, 'oh, he's a nice guy but we don't have anything in common'.
The last thing is that I think that this happens a LOT between NT people (acquaintance level relationships) but AS people don't notice. They may assume that people are all hanging out together behind their backs, or that because other people chat and get on, they must be all doing stuff together. This is not always true. The bullying, being embarassed or rudeness I can't account for but I do think that if you really believe that these people like you, then it is possible that they do like you, just not in the way you want them to. I'm NT and there are plenty of people I talk to in work but never see outside of work even though I'm sure we'd get along.
I don't want to jump into a thread to try to invalidate your experience but hopefully this is one perspective and answer.
This might explain why acquaintances are friendly to me when you run into them in the grocery store, but have little or no time when you try to contact via phone or e-mail. I am fairly good at small talk, but at times I sometimes like to go on about my troubles or interests. I have learned that people do not want to hear about these thing, but much rather mundane things such as the weather, your job or family.
I have noticed too, that when I call or e-mail friends, I have a tendency to go on about my problems, why is somebody treatiing me like they are, or my special interests, such as my community's flood relief. This might explain also why people are friendly to me spontaniously but keep me at arms length when I try to contact them.
Has anyone else noticed this when they deal with friends and acquaintances?
This might explain why acquaintances are friendly to me when you run into them in the grocery store, but have little or no time when you try to contact via phone or e-mail. I am fairly good at small talk, but at times I sometimes like to go on about my troubles or interests. I have learned that people do not want to hear about these thing, but much rather mundane things such as the weather, your job or family.
I have noticed too, that when I call or e-mail friends, I have a tendency to go on about my problems, why is somebody treatiing me like they are, or my special interests, such as my community's flood relief. This might explain also why people are friendly to me spontaniously but keep me at arms length when I try to contact them.
Has anyone else noticed this when they deal with friends and acquaintances?
Yeah, I'm still learning to keep my problems to myself. It's actually pretty hard to do. People see it as a turn off if you start going on about what ails you, but that's what I'm interested in, and anything else takes a lot of energy to talk about. I generally only confide my personal distress to certain friends. The others I'm more superficial with. So... yeah, I hear ya.
I'm new to forums period, I've never posted: only read them.
When I logged into this site it asked me if I was an aspenger or autism, I've never been diagnosed for either, but it's nice to know that there is a name for what I am. You are who you are and I say just live with it, and life will go as it should if you don't bring your self down.
I have the same situiation with "friends" of mine we hang out only when someone else brought them together, other then that we never hang out besides that. I enjoy being alone but at the same time hate it. I ask my self everyday why am I like this,does nobody see my problem? But I came to the point where I have to stop worrying about who I am, and just be who I am. I'm an artist, and I know if I just do what I love my childhood dream, I'll solve my problems. What I'm trying to say is don't let this bring you down, only thing it will do is stall or stop you from who you are.
If this was irrelivant I apologize other wise I hopped I put my 10 cents in.
I absoluteley hate this aswell, but it may be the fact that people may like me and whatever I end up keeping to myself alot, or I just pass off as somebody to not hang out with due to "looking depressed all of the time" as they would put it even my best freinds treat me like crap and then keep saying lime oh he's like one of my best freinds but they neve even treat me as I am though they're nicer to total strangers than me.
And then whenever other people start having a go at me he goes along with it because he simply thinks that "they're right" and that's just crushing to have to deal with because then he's just keeping me around out of pity Like everyone else and these guys aren't the highest on the social chain in school and now recently they're too high up now that they're just leaving me to rot.
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