Who has worse disorder in this case? NTs or aspie

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05 Aug 2006, 11:35 am

Imagine it.

There is a playground. And there are several children in a playground. One aspie-child and some NT children.
NT children are playing and chattering.
Aspie child wants to play with them. But he can't stand these loud noises. He covers his ears with his hands, to protect himself from noise.
And NT children notice that. Some of them come close to aspie child and start to make loud noises specially for him.
Aspie child is scared, he doesn't know what to do.
NT children see that he is scared. So they continue to make noises, on purpose. They see that he feels very bad, and they make fun of him. They even don't let him go away. Some of them even tear his hands off and scream to his ear. They enjoy it.

And now a question,

if you didn't know anything about NT and AS, how would you answer

Who has worse disorder/abnormality in this case?

Aspie child, who is sensitive to noise?
or
NT children, who enjoy that they can make somebody feel bad, who are happy when they make other person feel bad?


(sorry for my bad English)



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05 Aug 2006, 2:38 pm

F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:
Who has worse disorder/abnormality in this case?

Aspie child, who is sensitive to noise?
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NT children, who enjoy that they can make somebody feel bad, who are happy when they make other person feel bad?

Sadly, For NTs, being vicious and treating people like crap is a normal thing. So as a result, the NT society doesn't consider it to be a disorder.



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05 Aug 2006, 3:02 pm

Instead of finding something that can cure Asperger they should find something that can cure people who bully others.



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05 Aug 2006, 3:38 pm

Aspie1 wrote:
F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:
Who has worse disorder/abnormality in this case?

Aspie child, who is sensitive to noise?
or
NT children, who enjoy that they can make somebody feel bad, who are happy when they make other person feel bad?

Sadly, For NTs, being vicious and treating people like crap is a normal thing. So as a result, the NT society doesn't consider it to be a disorder.


You're right. Unfortunately some NT people would think that the behaviour of the Asperger's child in this situation is more unaccaptable than that of the Neurotypical child, and that the Aspie is "asking for it" because of the way he is acting. It is a tragedy that this is the attitude of people, but unfortunately it seems to be.



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05 Aug 2006, 4:58 pm

I think it's the NT Kids who would be the ones with the problem. And I also hate how us Aspies are blamed for our problems.



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05 Aug 2006, 5:49 pm

I think it would be nice for all aspies to carry around a licensed tazer or a tear gas device. I know it seems like I'm endorsing weapons here, but it doesn't look like aspies have any other alternative. The said self-defense items would have multiple holes, so that the electrified wires or the gas are aimed in three directions (all except the aspie's face). It's a form of crowd control machines that the cops use, only on a much smaller scale. So if the aspie in the initial post could disperse the vicious NTs with a single pump of tear gas, they'd learn their lesson, and he's be safe and happy.



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05 Aug 2006, 7:14 pm

Id say that the NT children have more wrong with them. The AS child is trying to protect himself from something that hurts him. The NT children are getting pleasure from hurting someone.

Now, who was it that was meant to have deficits in empathy...?


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08 Aug 2006, 12:23 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's the NT Kids who would be the ones with the problem. And I also hate how us Aspies are blamed for our problems.


It sounds like the Aspie kid didn't get told to "snap out of it" or "straighten up" near enough. :^(


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09 Aug 2006, 6:18 am

Hummm.....Gee, this this is a hard one.

Defintel Nts have a bigger problem here. CAN? CANT would be more helpful. I agree with the tear gas pump idea.


Again, I wouldn't normally endorse weapons but

5 NTs (OFTEN MORE) against 1 aspie?

Let's level the playing field a bit here.



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09 Aug 2006, 6:20 am

DirtDawg wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's the NT Kids who would be the ones with the problem. And I also hate how us Aspies are blamed for our problems.


It sounds like the Aspie kid didn't get told to "snap out of it" or "straighten up" near enough. :^(


If we payed attention to others' thoughts that they don't hesitate to express, do you think we'd be having this conversation (or any conservation at all for that mater)?



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09 Aug 2006, 11:04 pm

sigholdaccountlost wrote:
DirtDawg wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's the NT Kids who would be the ones with the problem. And I also hate how us Aspies are blamed for our problems.


It sounds like the Aspie kid didn't get told to "snap out of it" or "straighten up" near enough. :^(


If we payed attention to others' thoughts that they don't hesitate to express, do you think we'd be having this conversation (or any conservation at all for that mater)?


I doubt it, very much.



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10 Aug 2006, 12:54 am

F5c_wZ3_414e_X5 wrote:
Imagine it.

There is a playground. And there are several children in a playground. One aspie-child and some NT children.
<snip>

(sorry for my bad English)


Shudder. I hate things like this. I hate it. It makes me so angry. And they say we don't have empathy. Hrmph.

Nasty hobbitses.



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10 Aug 2006, 3:11 am

When the system is all for blaming the Victim, the Victim in that case has little reason save for self preservation for following the System.

Neurotypicality is not to blame. It's the self destructive and flawed system. The same one that encourages people to act like sociopaths. The people that follow these ideas will probably harm their own psyche's. A victim victimizing that thinks they are king.

I can't say who will have a worse life. The ignorant NTs, or the person with AS that has to put up with crap at every moment.



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10 Aug 2006, 2:14 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
DirtDawg wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
I think it's the NT Kids who would be the ones with the problem. And I also hate how us Aspies are blamed for our problems.


It sounds like the Aspie kid didn't get told to "snap out of it" or "straighten up" near enough. :^(


If we payed attention to others' thoughts that they don't hesitate to express, do you think we'd be having this conversation (or any conservation at all for that mater)?


I doubt it, very much.


As do I.

I meant 'matter'.



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12 Aug 2006, 2:57 pm

Not all NTs are bullies and it seems that the worst Bullies are themselves victims of bullying in their family and/or suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The "little red head" that bullied me was instructed to behave that way by her mom and was brainwashed to look and act a certain way. She developed eating disorders as a child (ironically she was a factor in my own eating disorder) and died in her teens in a alcohol-related car crash (she was the driver). Another bully stopped and we became friends, she had massive family problems that later drove a wedge between us again.
I can (now) forgive a bully, I can't forgive a sheep.



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12 Aug 2006, 4:32 pm

KimJ wrote:
Not all NTs are bullies and it seems that the worst Bullies are themselves victims of bullying in their family and/or suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The "little red head" that bullied me was instructed to behave that way by her mom and was brainwashed to look and act a certain way. She developed eating disorders as a child (ironically she was a factor in my own eating disorder) and died in her teens in a alcohol-related car crash (she was the driver). Another bully stopped and we became friends, she had massive family problems that later drove a wedge between us again.
I can (now) forgive a bully, I can't forgive a sheep.


Sheep follow the rest of the herd/do whatever the sheperd gets them to do.

In this case, "the little red head" was a sheep in following her mum's instructions to bully you , who was playing the part of sheperd. Yet you can forgive her but not a sheep when they are in fact, the same thing?

The past is no excuse for how you behave today. It may be a reason but it's not an excuse. Besides which, anyone can allege convincingly to have family problems.