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01 Mar 2007, 8:09 pm

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Call me a cynic but, what's so f***ing great about being yourself if the real you sucks:?:


Who are you basing the judgment on? Is it others that believe you suck, or did you develop that belief on your own? If it is others, why are you so sure they are remotely capable of making such a judgment? If it is you, couldn't that view be a negatively biased one possibly formed from negative experiences / negative treatment by others?

(Lots of assumptions in the latter bit of that, but it had to be done.)


It's a rhetorical question.



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03 Mar 2007, 12:07 pm

Yes and no.

Humans are social creatures. People who "live in their own world" (Asperger's or no) can certainly miss out on the prevalent society. I should say that persons with Asperger's is merely a subset of people who for whatever unique neurological wiring just don't fit in.

Now, there's nothing that makes prevalent society somehow special over all other hypothetical societies. I've found many non-neurotypicals do live in a society of one. There is power in that as well.



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03 Mar 2007, 1:17 pm

GoatOnFiire wrote:
It's a rhetorical question.


That doesn't change anything about what I said. If it was rhetorical, fine, then my response isn't directed at anyone specific, but at anyone that would consider your question as more than rhetorical, and that might ask it of themselves.



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13 Mar 2007, 12:39 pm

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Sometimes I sit in a corner, at university, and watch people around me. They are talking and laughing. I can't understand what they are talking about and why they are laughing, but I understand that they are happy. Then I think that I am really missing out on much. Because I can't communicate with them.

I have read a book. It is about a person who died. Her body was buried, but she still could be with people. But they couldn't see her, and she couldn't influence or affect them. She could only observe them. Sometimes she felt that she is missing out on very much.
I thought that I died soon after I was born. So people treat me like I was not real.


I've felt that way before. People still act like I'm literally invisible, even when they're right in my face. I guess if I slapped them, they'd say, "Wha-- Who did that???!"



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13 Mar 2007, 12:45 pm

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I've had people tell me they'd rather "socialize" then do what I do. So, I thought, what is it they do? Well, they get drunk and gab. I remember when I used to hang out with my friends, before I moved, all we ever did was watch t.v. or waste time. Essentially, I was WITH people, but we did absolutely NOTHING. We didn't learn anything, we didn't do much outside of being stupid.

All and all, we all want friends but, again, I think many here simply like the 'idea' of friendship.


You nailed it!



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13 Mar 2007, 12:52 pm

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After years of people telling me that I am "evil" because I'm not "normal",and seeing what THEY do for fun,and trying to think of myself as normal,my answer is this: HELL NO!! !

-SpaceCase


Exactly. Sanity is as sanity does.



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13 Mar 2007, 12:57 pm

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The only real advantage I'd see of being "NT" would actually being able to communicate and understand things better.


That's me. That's all I'd want from the NT brain -- to add FM to my AM radio, so to speak. I've got clear thinking down, I just need the "universal translator" from Star Trek, so I can understand what these strange NT beings are saying...



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13 Mar 2007, 1:05 pm

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Oh most definitely ! !!
We're missing out on fretting over what's fashionable to wear. We're missing out on being fascinated with who will win American Idol!! ! We're missing out on sharing what we thought about the latest must-watch Tv show that everyone is at the office is watching. We're missing out on believing every word that comes out of the president's mouth. We're missing out on loving to go shopping, the thrill of clothing stores, the utter joy of going to the grocery!! ! We're missing out on believing that animals don't feel pain, or have emotions, or feelings ! ! (It's only a dog.) We're missing out on having a foggy idea of what happened during WWII, but we're right up to date on the newest band, or what Paris Hilton is doing this week.

OMG, somebody shoot me ! !! Be a NewT??? I'd rather be thrown into a time machine, and forced to kiss Hitler ! !! !! !! !!


As if I haven't seen posts like this before... aspies stereotyping Nts to make them look like quintessential teenage girls. What else is new? :roll:



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14 Mar 2007, 8:27 pm

There are parts that I would prefer being NT over, and parts that I like the AS over.

I like my general contentedness of having AS. The world's very stable to me. If I'm happy, I'll be happy for a good long while. And if I'm sad, I'm not the most volatile person. I might threaten to commit suicide, but I'm not the type who actually could. So the sadness passes.

But I'd like being able to be more socially active. I'd like to be able to walk up to random people and have nice scintillating conversations about hot chicks or something. And I'd like to have some motivation to do my schoolwork, which I currently get whatever the percentage of the grades tests are, because I get 100s on tests, but do nothing else.



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14 Mar 2007, 9:40 pm

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I don't feel that I'm missing out on anything. I don't want to be hangning out with scantly-dressed Valley Girls, in a Bar or a Club, where there's Rap music playing in the background, paying a fortune for Drinks. I'd rather spend an evening in my new apartment, enjoying my Tea, doing coloured sketches of me Double Deckers and logging to Wrong Planet, for 20 minutes on each hour, while I listen to Dr. Joy Browne.


excuse me, I happen to like hanging out with valley girls AND paris hilton thank you very much

Paris Hilton?? Shes a dumb whore, whos famous for doing nothing and being a whore.



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20 Mar 2007, 4:09 am

It's more fun being on the outside I think. That's the best that I see it.

The best thing to do, is to associate with other weird people. I mean, they're usually a lot more interesting anyways. I get bored by regular people.


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20 Mar 2007, 8:00 am

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I don't feel that I'm missing out on anything. I don't want to be hangning out with scantly-dressed Valley Girls, in a Bar or a Club, where there's Rap music playing in the background, paying a fortune for Drinks. I'd rather spend an evening in my new apartment, enjoying my Tea, doing coloured sketches of me Double Deckers and logging to Wrong Planet, for 20 minutes on each hour, while I listen to Dr. Joy Browne.


excuse me, I happen to like hanging out with valley girls AND paris hilton thank you very much

Paris Hilton?? Shes a dumb whore, whos famous for doing nothing and being a whore.


I was warned about the bling-bling society. Told that we don't belong.



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27 Mar 2007, 8:02 pm

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I don't feel that I'm missing out on anything. I don't want to be hangning out with scantly-dressed Valley Girls, in a Bar or a Club, where there's Rap music playing in the background, paying a fortune for Drinks. I'd rather spend an evening in my new apartment, enjoying my Tea, doing coloured sketches of me Double Deckers and logging to Wrong Planet, for 20 minutes on each hour, while I listen to Dr. Joy Browne.


excuse me, I happen to like hanging out with valley girls AND paris hilton thank you very much

Paris Hilton?? Shes a dumb whore, whos famous for doing nothing and being a whore.


and an expensive whore to. a clear case where you pay to much for bad quality.



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30 Mar 2007, 8:16 am

Being extra Dino there was no one to tell me of this aspie stuff, which in part applies to some people.

No one has it all, some are more social, but Middle School, Junior High, and High School, are reported as hell by about 90%. They got it, could play the games, and came out on the wrong end. We got some minor harrassment from a few idiots. They got their souls ripped apart by people they deeply wanted to be friends with. This was public school, the winners are not going anywhere important. It is not the college bound who win the High School contest.

Young adults are playing the mateing game, lots of mating, games, ever changing partners. They are popular, living in mutual whoredom, destroying any ability to have feelings for one person. They have been test driven by hundreds, married and divorced several times, before we get a date.

Dinos report, I seem to have some of AS, a lot I dont, and I have some non-AS stuff. But they got on with life.

Youngsters get a Dx and think they have it all, and their entire future will be much worse. Then take drugs to make it worse, because it is not like it was their life or anything, it's AS, Hopeless! I would call that over reacting. All it takes is a few quirks to get a Dx, one less quirk and you are Dxed normal.

Study a normal person, they have non-AS quirks, and they are boring.

As an employer, they are all a bunch of brats, and it takes parental control, being a strict teacher, a cop, and something of a Dark Lord, to get any work out of them. I am not impressed. In general it takes one person full time to manage three. Then another to manage three managers. That is four managers to keep nine people working. Most companies go out of business because they hire humans.

Suppliers and customers are also human, Hell is endless.

Aspies make better workers, if they have good management. They develop rituals, will actually take interest in what they are doing, even read a book. Aspies rebuild servers and overhaul routers on weekends. They hate people, and so are prepared for management.

From what I hear, aspies marry later, and stay married.

Being confused children they make good parents. My little girl explained me to a friend as, "We were little kids together." We had a lot of fun and both turned out well.

The lot I hear around here goes up to people and says, Will you be my friend? Please be my friend, Someone has to be my friend! And does not shut up after the person has rounded the next corner at a run.

Friends are an illusion. Social networks are built on, be nice to me and I might be able to help you later. There is no bond, no emotional connection, and they keep vanishing, so more have to be found. The odds they might be of some help are slim. It is a cheap mutual lie.

Adults know their family, and where they work. Family are not friends, nor the people you work with. Both are stuck with you, and have social skills that failed them in Junior High. Talking about football is all they have for a common language. They all watch the same TV, so they can pretend to talk about something, and it won't be the Science Channel. In a town of 20,000, the Book Club has fourteen members.

Most people marry through work, figuring they were sorted to the same garbage can, they must belong together. Having lost all hope most stay together. They both did it to get a bigger TV. They will be in debt for the rest of their lives. It seems a quarter of men die of stress induced heart attacks in their early fourties.

Through my AS Membership I have read 20,000 books, patented inventions, and at 60 am starting several new business ventures, using mostly computers.

Discovering WP gives me great hope, this is the big thrift store of humans. That is where I got most of my computers. A little tinkering, and they were working. Now I need a building of soundproof one bedroom offices with food delivery, and I will have the workforce I always wanted.

I am an adult, I do what I want. If anything I had it worse, not being understood, living through it. I was almost 50 when Windows 95 with a CD drive came out, I had it rough. I had no Dx to use for an excuse, I just lived my life. I think it turned out well. Almost all of those cool NTs are dead, or will be soon, I have a twenty year plan.



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30 Mar 2007, 6:41 pm

Prof_Pretorius wrote:
Oh most definitely ! !!
We're missing out on fretting over what's fashionable to wear. We're missing out on being fascinated with who will win American Idol!! ! We're missing out on sharing what we thought about the latest must-watch Tv show that everyone is at the office is watching. We're missing out on believing every word that comes out of the president's mouth. We're missing out on loving to go shopping, the thrill of clothing stores, the utter joy of going to the grocery!! ! We're missing out on believing that animals don't feel pain, or have emotions, or feelings ! ! (It's only a dog.) We're missing out on having a foggy idea of what happened during WWII, but we're right up to date on the newest band, or what Paris Hilton is doing this week.


NT != mediocre. There are plenty of people without any disorder that are well educated and well informed. And I'm sure there are plenty of people with AS that secretly crush on Simon Cowell. =)

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OMG, somebody shoot me ! !! Be a NewT??? I'd rather be thrown into a time machine, and forced to kiss Hitler ! !! !! !! !!


I'm with you here. The moustache would tickle. =)



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31 Mar 2007, 3:25 pm

Never known any different, so can't say I'd be missing out on anything. Don't understand the social scene, have no desire to be part of it. Have no concience/empathy, but still, I like bein' me and would n't have it any other way.


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