about unattractive and unpopular nt women

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02 Oct 2012, 2:10 am

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Maybe they just don't like you.
Maybe they already have friends and aren't so desperately lonely that they need to settle for someone who goes up to them going "Herp derp, ur average looking so you shouldn't be so snobby. You have to be my friend now, k?"


Lol yes

They seem to be giving you a sharp body swerve for some reason - what could it be I wonder?



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02 Oct 2012, 4:44 pm

Or maybe because they personally don't think they are unattractive as to how you see them. Myabe they might be ugly but have an awesome personality. I have seen a lot of overweight and unattractive girls getting good-looking guys. So, beauty is definately not just about how they look. Some people think I'm average and others think I'm beautiful and I think I'm beautiful, so I won't go with a guy that thinks I'm not.



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02 Oct 2012, 6:59 pm

Cause even unattractive and unpopular, women want a man to be a sea lion with deep pockets, that rulz out 99% of the aspie male population.


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02 Oct 2012, 10:29 pm

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I wonder if your somewhat contentious attitude towards them is coming through. Remember, they probably know well that they are the plane jane. Reminding them of that isn't going to win you any favors.

well, That what they are.. plain jane types. I tell alot of women they are average looking because it's the truth.


If I was a woman and I got that vibe from you, you can be assured I would have no interest in dating you, and I think most of the girls would agree with me.

I'm thinking you need to try to put yourself in their shoes a bit. Sounds like your getting a lot of rejection, possibly because of your AS.

Your AS is like their plane jane looks.

Doesn't feel very good to get rejected does it?

Just remember, you'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.



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03 Oct 2012, 12:55 am

Ugly chicks are always worth less than the pretty ones, so of course they have to be perpetually kneeling before we mighty socially ret*d men.

Totally true.



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03 Oct 2012, 1:23 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuSXihJM6jY[/youtube]

Sorry, I couldn't read the OP without thinking of this.


*ahem* moving on...

Perhaps it is because labels like "ugly" and "unpopular" are shallow and mildly misogynist?

Seriously, treat people like they have value. That includes women. Because they do.


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03 Oct 2012, 12:40 pm

We don't know how attractive or not (physically and otherwise) you are, so it's kind of hard to give you an answer. You could be physically repulsive for all we know. :wink:



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03 Oct 2012, 1:47 pm

One thing I've learned is you have to approach with the attitude "Everyone is beautiful, but your just not my type."



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03 Oct 2012, 6:26 pm

Well, since I'm one of those unattractive, ugly NT girls you're describing,I thought I'd give you an answer (I'm not putting myself down, it's true). I don't think you need to tell these girls they are unattractive but I do appreciate your honesty on this forum.

I am often rejected and judged due to my appearance by potential friends, potential boyfriends, and in professional situations. It got to the point where I really couldn't make it through a day without being made fun of for my looks, so I ended up deciding to withdraw from the world because I didn't see the point of trying if people rejected me before they ever bothered to get to know me. The reason that I might not give you a chance isn't because of your Asperger's, but because I've already bought into the belief that no one would want to be with me because of the way I look. (And I know that's probably not fair to everyone, I'm just trying to protect myself.)

Assuming that I were to give a guy a chance in the first place, I would never reject a guy specifically because the guy had Asperger's. I actually think that Asperger's is a positive thing (my family members have it) and not a reason to reject someone. I would choose to pursue or reject the guy based on how I felt in their presence. If I felt happy and content in that guy's presence and looked forward to seeing them, then I'd want to pursue things. If I felt insecure and uncomfortable, then the guy might not be right for me.

At what point when meeting these girls do you remind them that they are plain and unattractive? As others have told you, I'm pretty good at reminding myself of that and don't need someone else to do it for me. I would want to know that you were able to see past my appearance to the person I am on the inside, or why you found a specific quality about me appealing or attractive. If you want girls to see past your differences, set the tone by seeing past theirs.



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03 Oct 2012, 6:47 pm

urbanpixie wrote:
If you want girls to see past your differences, set the tone by seeing past theirs.


I think this is the perfect summary of the OP's problem.


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03 Oct 2012, 8:18 pm

urbanpixie wrote:
Well, since I'm one of those unattractive, ugly NT girls you're describing,I thought I'd give you an answer (I'm not putting myself down, it's true). I don't think you need to tell these girls they are unattractive but I do appreciate your honesty on this forum.

I am often rejected and judged due to my appearance by potential friends, potential boyfriends, and in professional situations. It got to the point where I really couldn't make it through a day without being made fun of for my looks, so I ended up deciding to withdraw from the world because I didn't see the point of trying if people rejected me before they ever bothered to get to know me. The reason that I might not give you a chance isn't because of your Asperger's, but because I've already bought into the belief that no one would want to be with me because of the way I look. (And I know that's probably not fair to everyone, I'm just trying to protect myself.)

Assuming that I were to give a guy a chance in the first place, I would never reject a guy specifically because the guy had Asperger's. I actually think that Asperger's is a positive thing (my family members have it) and not a reason to reject someone. I would choose to pursue or reject the guy based on how I felt in their presence. If I felt happy and content in that guy's presence and looked forward to seeing them, then I'd want to pursue things. If I felt insecure and uncomfortable, then the guy might not be right for me.

At what point when meeting these girls do you remind them that they are plain and unattractive? As others have told you, I'm pretty good at reminding myself of that and don't need someone else to do it for me. I would want to know that you were able to see past my appearance to the person I am on the inside, or why you found a specific quality about me appealing or attractive. If you want girls to see past your differences, set the tone by seeing past theirs.

Aw I bet you're not even ugly like you say. Plus, having a good heart makes the exterior shine for when I judge a person.



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03 Oct 2012, 8:41 pm

i dont get why the difference is between attractive and unattractive women or NT versus AS. there are sooo many variables about a woman so to boil their presentation to you down to an either/or of two considerations, well it is no wonder you are not having success.

dont get me wrong, i do struggle with women. i really do. but if you are aiming too high or aiming too low, as another responder suggested, the women probably know it.

youve got to appreciate these creatures.



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04 Oct 2012, 7:26 am

billiscool wrote:
thewhitrbbit wrote:
I wonder if your somewhat contentious attitude towards them is coming through. Remember, they probably know well that they are the plane jane. Reminding them of that isn't going to win you any favors.

well, That what they are.. plain jane types. I tell alot of women they are average looking because it's the truth.


I think that the reason they don't want to befriend you is because you're an arse. You sound like an arse. It's the truth.

I just called you an arse, it's the truth according to me. I bet that didn't make you smile or feel good about yourself. Honesty is one thing, but no one likes to be told that they are average or plain or an arse. I think that perhaps if you were being honesty with yourself, you know you wouldn't like it either. No one wants to be a last option friend either. People want friends who are their friends because they have similar interests or just find each other entertaining or just like each other.

The next time you want to get yourself a new friend. Try not being an arse and make sure it's someone you want to be friends with, because you like them and not because you think they'd be grateful. Give them a real complement. I'm not saying to lie, but find something that you like about them and tell them.



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04 Oct 2012, 9:22 am

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Why don't you just get to know someone who is interested in things that you're interested in, forget about looks one way or the other, and see where things go from there? Don't go at it looking to pick up chicks. Things work their way out themselves.


Unfortunately, for men like me at least, this doesn't ever work. But I do think billiscool should take this advice. Although he's already lucky as hell, to at least have women as friends. I can't even do that. :(


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05 Oct 2012, 4:54 am

I think it's 'cause people find social awkwardness an unattractive and annoying trait. Even though I wouldn't have a chance with a normal non-autistic, pretty or ugly, person, I'd want someone who was sociable and easygoing.



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09 Oct 2012, 3:57 pm

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Maybe they just don't like the whole "you're unattractive and unpopular, but I'll save you from that" vibe.

Perhaps you don't mean your post the way it sounds to me, but the way I read it, no matter how desperate I ever was, I'd never stoop that low. In fact, in high school, I was desperate, and this one girl decided she liked me - because she thought I might be desperate enough to settle for her. No thanks. If that's all we've got in common - that neither of us can do any better - it's time to just give up and get used to being alone.

What's wrong with settling because you don't want to be alone. If you don't want someone to judge you for being aspie, don't judge someone for settling.