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20 Jun 2016, 9:39 am

I Really H8 Chuggers too!

I live in the middel of a city in Denmark and often when I go out for shopping then they go right into my way and start out with Hi even their T-shirts says "Hi" and its always the same group from human rights campaign, first time I was listing to them and I said I have so much stuff to worry about in my own life to thinking so much about Africa and the lady seemed to find me rude but with my autism I have so many problems in life to think about etc so I said no and walked away that was in 2013, the Chuggers came to my city in 2013. but every since they get new young ppl in to do the Chuggers job and I'm got more pissed at them I have a few times given em the middel finger and the guy was like "ok have a good day" and even then they just keep on getting new young ppl on the street and they do the same thing over and over.... I wish Chuggers got banned...



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20 Jun 2016, 3:52 pm

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Chuggers? I hate the bastards.

Don't give them eye-contact, don't stop, don't do anything. Just march on stridently. Even if they want to talk to you, ignore them. They're not there. They're like wasps, a bloody nuisance but they'll go away eventually.


I don't ever give them eye contact as I walk by, nor slow down, but they still try to stop me. And if I ignore them, they make me feel like I'm a bad person by saying to the next person "oh I hope you'll be polite" or something. I really don't think they should make people feel bad for choosing to decline or ignore. It's not personal, it's just some people are in a hurry and don't want to be bugged.

Where I come from they seem to be very forceful. They block your path when you try to get away, and just won't let you go. It happened to me once. I said "no thank you, I have a bus to catch", which I did, but he said "it won't take a minute" and he blocked my path. Also it wasn't easy to get away because it was in a narrow busy street with stalls and things everywhere, so I was rather trapped and so had no choice but to give in to him. He asked me questions like my name and address, and about 3 days later I received a big package in the mail, encouraging me to set up a business trying to get money out of people. I kept on receiving all information in the mail about it for weeks after that.

What a waste of tree.


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20 Jun 2016, 4:03 pm

I just stare right past them and keep my hands low so they can't give me anything. Same for gypsies. I don't have space in my head for this s**t, never mind the money.


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20 Jun 2016, 4:18 pm

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Right, if people actually read this thread, they would understand that sometimes these chuggers walk in front of you and follow you. This is what I'm asking anyway - how do you deal with *that*?


That's a particular breed of chugger. Haven't run into those yet, but I probably look really angry anyway.

My guess is that your best option is to look crazy. Start singing loudly into their face or something. Sorry, I have no inhibitions at times. These guys certainly don't have them. Why don't you scream for them to go away? You don't have to be polite, everyone hates them.

I generally think that if you say anything at all other than "No, thanks", they will take it as an invitation to start a conversation.


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21 Jun 2016, 8:35 am

We have people like that who work at kiosks here in the US as well who will follow every patron who they can spot who aren't even interested in buying their merchandise. One of the worst places is in Las Vegas too. Things you could tell them are

1. This isn't a good time
2. Please don't follow me because it's harassment



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21 Jun 2016, 1:10 pm

I treat them the same way I treat beggars. I ignore them (if I even notice them) and move on.

If they still make an attempt, I either ignore them and move on, or reject them very clearly.


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26 Jun 2016, 11:18 am

"Sorry not interested" combined with making stop gesture with a hand seems to work for me. The pushier ones will sometimes continue to engage with questions like "why aren't you interested?" but I don't reply to that and just keep walking. This has worked for me without fail. Even if they start with something like "hello sir/ma'am how are you doing?" I just go "Sorry not interested".

I'm not gonna get all smug or passive-aggressive or pretend I'm unable to speak the language to someone who is just doing a job. I make it clear they won't get a sale from me, so that they can move to another target.

A former colleague did such "chugging" work for a while and told me all about it. This is a very biased and localized view: Here in the Netherlands these "chuggers" are all paid employees. Not volunteers. A charity hires companies that send the chuggers around town. The chuggers work for a different charity every day. The charity pays those chugging companies. Effectively, a new donator doesn't bring in any money for the charity until after they've been donating for a full year. The charity benefits more if you directly donate, but chugging is very effective and is still profitable enough for charities to keep doing.

There's some really neat psychology behind the chugging. Often they will start with a bunch of questions to which pretty much everyone will say "Yes.". This makes it harder for a client to later say "No." This is actually a classic sales technique straight from the 1936 "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie.

Turnover for those jobs is pretty high, they fire the one that makes the fewest sales per month or so. Of course, regardless of how hard everyone works, there's always going to be someone at the bottom on the performance chart. On top of that, there are bonuses for every successful sale.

The risk of being fired and the bonuses for getting lots of sales are incentives to get the chuggers to be more aggressive without management ever having to ask them to break any rules.

Supposedly there's a magic phrase coded in law, something like "I can't afford that" at which point the salespeople have to stop. I've never had to use it. Although it does seem a bit silly to say that when you're in a shopping street.


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26 Jun 2016, 11:22 am

Someone shared a great secret with me on this a long time ago.

When passing a sales person either on the street or at a mall kiosk (cell phone kiosks used to be really bad with this) keep looking straight ahead and don't make eye contact. If they try talking to you raise your hand half way as if to give a very distracted and self-absorbed "hi" and keep walking without making eye contact.

If you do that you've asserted your space and autonomy all the while not being any more rude than you had to.


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26 Jun 2016, 11:25 am

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Nod your head politely and with understanding and pass by before they trap you in their sticky web. Just do it, don't say anything.
But if you simply must say something, a few nonsense syllables will get the message across.

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26 Jun 2016, 12:33 pm

I just ignore them these days, I had a very pretty girl selling me lipstick for ten minutes two years ago in the centre of town saying you're a good looking chap, I'm sure you'll find someone to pass it onto, I was torn between being charmed by her and knowing she just wanted to make some numbers up haha. Then when I was at my first uni I was almost talked into joining the army because I didn't know how to decline and I was in a queue waiting for sausage rolls! A few weeks ago it took me five minutes to wriggle out of being forced to buy a group of kids some beer, I couldn't figure out how to tell them to get lost without actually saying it so I told them I just saw a police car pull up around the corner because someone probably called the cops on you all.



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26 Jun 2016, 9:02 pm

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Hi... I need some advice on how to deal with the following situation:

In the UK it has become common for charities to hire young people to approach you in the street and get you to subscribe to a monthly payment to the charity. They are trained to be over-the-top friendly to you and to use this friendliness to stop you from walking away from them. This is because the more you talk to them the less able you will feel to back out of signing up.

I don't have much experience talking to people who (seem to) want to talk to me, and so when they approach me I find it harder to back out than a NT, and when I do I feel worse about it because any excuse I give (even if it is legitimate) it feels as though I am sounding like I am lying about it. I once told one that I had autism to try to hint that I might not be able to say no to their request but it didn't work; they were kind of surprised for a second, then carried on.

I'm not really trying to avoid them because I'm a mean person - I already volunteer regularly - but I don't have a lot of money and when I do donate to charity, I prefer it to be direct and not through third parties taking cuts of the money.

Does anybody have any experience with these people, and do you know a simple thing to say to decline their offer without sounding mean for saying "no".


Just say no politely and continue on your way or if you have music in your ears pretend you can't hear them and keep going. It might be ruder this way but if they say something crazy about you as well if you're pretending to not hear them or acknowledge them. Just keep going. It might work for me but I'm not so sure of your situation on how these street sellers are but be prepared and stay strong.


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26 Jun 2016, 10:01 pm

There is also the option of clicking the trigger on one of these ...

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Let's not encourage that...


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27 Jun 2016, 8:53 am

There are two ways, acknowledging or not acknowledging. In the first, you keep walking, don't stop, but look the person in the eye, smile and say firmly "Sorry no." And keep moving. In the second, you just keep walking and don't even look at them. Why should you have to acknowledge someone who is getting in your face uninvited? Don't feel bad, just keep moving. They're in the business of that happening, they can deal with it.